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Above all I see terrible touchpad vs tactile buttons

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/nws-e-series/nwz-e585
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Buttons vs. touchpad is one great point, and also, the Sony UI is far more user-friendly than the i9.
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:19 PM
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Above all I see terrible touchpad vs tactile buttons

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/nws-e-series/nwz-e585
"Ships in 2-3 weeks"
Haha that's true, I'm forgetting the touchpad vs tactile argument and lets not forget cowon's lovely Unique UI Mind F***. Truth be told tho I have my head around the UI now and find the touchpad a breeze to operate. Building playlists in the morning is quick and easy, where it gets annoying is those 'long presses' where u think u've done what it wants but because there is no feedback you never know until you wait... then u realise it didn't work and have to do another long press...<sigh>

Never occurred to me to check Sony directly lol
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:22 PM
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I'd really like to see a review of this player, tho I doubt I can ever live with 16gb. Things that might convince me tho is better sq, better playlist management etc. With Cowon you can build and save one playlist on the device (called Favourites) and caps you at 256 files. I'd be interested to know if Sony does any of those features better.

Is it possible they will release a higher capacity version of this elsewhere?
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:12 PM
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Care to share a link? advancedmp3players don't have it listed, and amazon.uk wasn't showing much success.

So the E580 is priced the same as Cowon's i9+ 16gb, but of course you can get a 32gb i9+ for 129quid also. It's worth noting that the original i9 16gb has had a pretty decent price drop, down to 79quid (and there really is no noticeable difference between a 16gb i9 and i9+).

The difference I see between an i9 and a E580 is Sony's vastly superior battery life (prolly about 70hrs vs 25ish).

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/1211544.htm

These really are niche, now, when you can buy a Lumia 520 for 80 or a roughly equivalent Android phone for about the same.
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I'd really like to see a review of this player, tho I doubt I can ever live with 16gb. Things that might convince me tho is better sq, better playlist management etc. With Cowon you can build and save one playlist on the device (called Favourites) and caps you at 256 files. I'd be interested to know if Sony does any of those features better.

Is it possible they will release a higher capacity version of this elsewhere?

Higher Capacity version? Doubtful. When they released the specs they maxed it at 16GB.

Interestingly though, if you check this out - http://www.sony.jp/walkman/ you'll see the Japanese S Series S770 is equivalent to the E570 (NC version of E470), and it's also maxed at 16GB. So if they ever do release a Japanese E580 equivalent S Series, it may be capped at 16GB as well. Let's hope they don't. Japanese A847, A867 were 64GBs.

I'd really want Sony to bring back A and X Series


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My thoughts on the E580:

The size is great. The battery life is awesome (if true, more likely about 55 to 60 hours, which is still amazing). Price should be right around $150 to $200 depending upon the size and region.

But then there's that damn 16 GB limit... That battery life combined with 32 or even 64 GB would be an instant purchase. I'd love another Sony player, but 16 GB is just too small these days.

Sony, just release higher capacity players. We'll buy them, trust me.
Couldn't agree more, price is around 150$ for the 16GB E585. All this needed was more space. Or at least (to tackle competition), a card slot.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:54 AM
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If Sony comes out with a new 32GB player it will probably be at least $200+, and might even be $250+. Sony doesn't want to release a budget 32GB player. I hope Sandisk releases a new player with longer battery life than the Clip Zip. I hope it would also have a built in clip. I find the Clip Zip to be very satisfying, except for the battery life.
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Higher Capacity version? Doubtful. When they released the specs they maxed it at 16GB.

Interestingly though, if you check this out - http://www.sony.jp/walkman/ you'll see the Japanese S Series S770 is equivalent to the E570 (NC version of E470), and it's also maxed at 16GB. So if they ever do release a Japanese E580 equivalent S Series, it may be capped at 16GB as well. Let's hope they don't. Japanese A847, A867 were 64GBs.

I'd really want Sony to bring back A and X Series
So i'll be the first to admit, I haven't paid much attention to Sony in the past, but a quick bit of googling and I saw this. I take it this is the magical mythical 64gb Japanese SOny player that I have heard mentioned a couple of times. $400, ouchy, but isn't this what alot of users want? Is it becuase the language can't be changed to English why some people don't buy it, or that its so dam expensive? I paid $200AUD for a 32gb i9+, i know if 64gb was really important to me I would save my pennies for this guy, 64gb players are rare indeed.

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I hope it would also have a built in clip. I find the Clip Zip to be very satisfying, except for the battery life.
I've heard a couple of people talk about how important the clip mechanism is, well I wouldn't put too much emphasis on a clip. I have managed successfully with two players to come up with what i consider to be a superior clip mechanism. Check out here for my magnetic solution. My i9+ is currently supporting the same system and works great.
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So i'll be the first to admit, I haven't paid much attention to Sony in the past, but a quick bit of googling and I saw this. I take it this is the magical mythical 64gb Japanese SOny player that I have heard mentioned a couple of times. $400, ouchy, but isn't this what alot of users want? Is it becuase the language can't be changed to English why some people don't buy it, or that its so dam expensive? I paid $200AUD for a 32gb i9+, i know if 64gb was really important to me I would save my pennies for this guy, 64gb players are rare indeed.
The higher capacity Sonys were always expensive, but I guess its 400$ now because it is discontinued. But I'll admit, they were quite expensive as well (comparing to other players with same capacity) when they were first released. Yeah you're right, 64GB players are rare. That's why to keep up in the competition, a card slot is quite necessary.
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I don't like the fact that the NWZ-E585 comes bundled with the expensive MDR-NC33 headphones. I would rather pay $50 or $60 less for the player and get it without the earphones. Perhaps Sony should get creative and offer the player either with or without the earphones. I always felt that bundling players with an earphone is rather lame. Imagine if shoes were all sold bundled with expensive sox, or writing paper was only sold bundled with an expensive pen.
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Contrary to the info in the op, the E380 does have a 16gb version (i.e. the E385), at least in the U.S. and Canada.

And does anyone know what the E570 series is? At first I thought this was a mislabeled E470, since the picture shows the same design as the E470, but that player doesn't have digital noise cancelling. Could someone clear up my confusion about this?
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Go look at the NWZ-E585,...it's excellent.
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Contrary to the info in the op, the E380 does have a 16gb version (i.e. the E385), at least in the U.S. and Canada.

And does anyone know what the E570 series is? At first I thought this was a mislabeled E470, since the picture shows the same design as the E470, but that player doesn't have digital noise cancelling. Could someone clear up my confusion about this?
E570 is just the NC enabled E470 if I'm not mistaken. They have the same design and I think they're equivalent to the japanese NC enabled S770.

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Go look at the NWZ-E585,...it's excellent.
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I only wish the E58+ line maxed @32 or 64 GB. That's my only gripe about Sony Walkman players. And I mean in this form factor - I really don't want another touch screen device,...I prefer tactile Walkman players.
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I wonder if the Japanese E580 series players will have 32/64GB? I know how you feel, mate.
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It seems like the E580 series is the new "S" series for countries other than Japan. It has most of the same features that previous S models had (noise cancelling, recording, etc). The new E380 series seems to be inline with the traditional "E" series, in the US at least (cheesy graphics, etc).
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Yeah, Sony did really push the E-series lineup up to an almost "premium" standard when they released the E460. Now the E570/580 series is equivalent to S series. However, they're missing Bluetooth, though. Still, 77 hrs rated battery life is quite impressive for an E-series, so is NC.

E380 seems to me an E440 series revamp to me.
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I did some digging around to see what the differences between the E380 and the E580 are. Here are the differences that I could find. Each line has the E380's features listed first, followed by the E580's in parenthesis:

- Price: E385 16GB $95/69 , E585 16GB $??/99
- 1.77" TFT LCD, 128x160 Resolution, LED Backlit, 9 Icons Displayed on Homepage (E580 has 2" LCD, 240x320, 11 Icons)
- No Noise-Cancelling Feature (E580 has Noise Cancelling)
- USB-Mini Connector (E580 has WM-Port)
- Available in 4/8/16GB (E580 available in 8/16GB) - Availability might depend on location
- No DSEE, "Digital Sound Enhancement Engine" (E580 has DSEE)
- Playback Modes: Normal, Shuffle, Repeat, Shuffle & Repeat, Repeat 1 Song (E580 adds: Repeat 1 Song/Selected Range, Display Lyrics, multiple Karaoke Modes)
- Audio: MP3, WMA, AAC, PCM (E580 adds FLAC & Apple Lossless support. These formats are not listed in the E580's specs on it's webpage, but they are specifically mentioned in Sony's official press release)
- Video: WMV9 (E580 adds MPEG4 and AVC)
- No voice recording (E580 has voice recording) - Neither has FM recording
- Includes MDR-NC033 Headphones (E580 upgrades to MDR-NC31 Noise Cancelling Headphones)
- Battery: 30 Hours, 4-Hour Charge Time (E580 is 77 Hours, 2-Hour Charge Time)
- E580 adds "SensMe" - music sorting based on moods
- Minimal differences in size and weight
- Colors: Black (Carbon Fiber graphic), Red (Zig Zag Graphic), Blue (Horizontal Lines graphic) - (E580 is Black "Durable Metallic Finish", Other colors ?)
- No Dedicated "Volume" Buttons: Press the "Up" and "Down" Buttons on the 5-Way Keypad to adjust volume. You can't adjust the volume when a menu is displayed because the Up/Down buttons will be used for menu navigation. (E580 has dedicated Volume buttons on the side)
- No Dedicated "Hold" Switch: Press and hold the "Option" Button to put E380 into Hold mode (E580 has dedicated Hold switch on the side)
- To turn the E380 on: Press the "Option" Button
- To turn the E380 off: First, "Pause" the music playback, then press and hold the "Option" Button
- Podcast support: E380, probably not. E580, yes. E580 has a dedicated "Podcast" icon on the homepage, suggesting Podcast support. There is no Podcast icon on the E380's homepage, but there might (or might not) be an option for podcasts within an internal menu. The E580 also has an option to search by "Bookmarks" (in addition to Artist, Folder, Genre, etc). The E380 does not have the ability to search by "Bookmarks".

Overall, I'd say the E580 is worth the extra cost.

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Good work Matt.
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I am very disappointed in Sony; not really because of the lack of card slot, I expected that. What really disappoints me is that the new E380 series (the cheap one mind you) costs nearly as much as the old E-470 series did, but comes with less features.
I don't care about the sense-me or any of that stuff, but the lack of podcast support is a deal killer for me. Basically what they have done is to reissue the old UI. I have an old E-345 that at the end of its life and is in need of replacement; the E380 appears to have the same UI. Also the combining of button functions makes for a harder to use (but no doubt cheaper to produce) device.
Sure you can listen to podcasts on it, but the lack of bookmarking and tracking whether a file has been played makes it difficult. I would say that approximately %75 of my listening in a week is to podcasts.
I'm excited about the E580, I really think that it could be everything that I need in a player (save for a card slot, but whatever...). I'm a bit worried about its future however. Why haven't they released it in the US yet? It's on sale in the UK, but for 99, which as of right now is equal to $154.78. I suspect that has something to do with it. Its going to be hard for a $150 mp3 player to compete. You can get an android player for that and a small tablet for not much more. Sure the ipod nano is $149, but they have hype and marketing on their side. Sony makes (or has made) what is in my opinion after having owned several ipods (no walled gardens please) and sansas (if it wasn't for rockbox and low prices, no one would put up with them), the best DAPs on the market. They just shoot themselves in the foot by making stupid design changes and not pushing the product what so ever.


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