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Old 01-04-2013, 10:33 AM
bannerdog bannerdog is offline
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Default Clip Zip - Most audio files not displayed in menu

BACKGROUND

I use MP3 players solely for audio books.

I had a Clip+, which I very recently dropped and broke.

I purchased two Clip Zips (and 3 32-GB cards, and Clip protector sleeves), which arrived a couple of days ago.

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MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE CLIP ZIP(S)

Upon the delivery of my Clip Zips, I was forced to choose between being able to navigate by folder, and having the player remember my audio book "bookmarks".

So, I made certain that all relevant files had the needed tags (title, artist, album, etc), and placed many of them (32 GB worth) onto the card in the AUDIOBOOKS folder.

Incidentally, I had the Clip Zip format the (32 GB) SD card.

Alas, when using the Zip, I was able to locate only about 10% of the files I had placed onto the card.

This occurred regardless of how I searched (artist, album, etc).

This occurred with both Clip Zips.

I have the latest firmware (01.01.20a).

I then tried moving "everything" to the MUSIC folder, so that I could try navigating by folder.

Again, the large majority of my folders/files could not been "seen".

In order to eliminate the possibility that the card itself was somehow "to blame", I took the 16 GB card out of my (broken) Clip+, and put it into one of the Clip Zips.

What did I find? Zip!

Okay, not exactly Zip.

But the 16 GB card contains about 50 audio files, and I can "see" only THREE of them using the Clip Zip. I could "see" and play them all using the Clip+.

The files reside "under" the MUSIC folder, but I cannot "see" them even using folder navigation (except for the aforementioned three files).

The Clip Zip does "see" the files when acting as a USB drive. I connected the Clip Zip to the computer with the 16 GB card inserted. Sure enough, the files are there.

It's almost as if the Zip considers most of the files "invalid" (which are all MP3, no DRM), and so does not make them available to be played.

However, the Clip+ played all the files on the SAME CARD I put into the Clip Zip.

If the tags were bad, the files should still be displayed as "unknown". They are not displayed at all (well, there is one "unknown").

Furthermore, I've "browsed" these audio files with two tag editors, and both of them "like" the tags.


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BOTTOM LINE PROBLEM: THE CLIP ZIP DOES NOT DISPLAY THE FILES PRESENT ON THE STORAGE MEDIA.

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SUMMARY

I could live without being to navigate my books by folder&&.

I'd just have to make sure that all files are properly tagged.

However, being unable to "see" or play the large majority of my audio books is unacceptable.

I don't know whether this problem also exists for internal storage. I haven't done much with that yet.

One further comment: Either my eyes have suddenly gotten worse, or the font of the Clip+ was easier to read than that of the Clip Zip.

I have trouble navigating the Clip Zip (reading the text), which I did not with the Clip+.


COMMENDATIONS

I will say that the Clip+ was really a great audio book player for the price.

If I could actually "see" and play all of the audio books on storage, I'd love the Clip Zip, especially for the price.

[By the way, I bought a top-end iPad (yes, pad, not pod), used it a total of less than two hours, thought it sucked (not just for the price, would not have used it if it were free), and sold it on Craig's List - could have returned it, but was mistaken about the cut-off date. The only product I ever "returned", if memory serves. And I buy a lot of tech-toys; I'm a software engineer. Apple does put together very nice hardware. If only the software was acceptable...

But I digress.

I also dye gress, light green on one side, dark green on the other. However, I've stopped giving them as gifts, as people complain that "the gress is always greener on the other side".
]


QUESTIONS

Does anyone have any idea why the Clip Zips don't "present" most of my folders/files?

Has anyone else experienced this?

Any further comments or suggestions?



I have considered trying the Rockbox firmware, but I don't know how good that is for audio books. I understand that one can dual boot, and select the "OS" on boot up. One person commented that he used the Rockbox firmware for music, the default firmware for audio books, suggesting that perhaps Rockbox is not good for audio books (which is my ONLY use of an MP3 player).

Any comments or suggestions regarding Rockbox (remember, I use the player ONLY for audiobooks).



&& Comment on lack of folder browsing for audiobooks.

Off the top of my head, I would guess that the "database" containing tags, etc, is also used to store bookmarks. Since the FAT file system provides no efficient means of associating a value (in this case, a bookmark) with a file (i.e., the file system does not support "user" specified file attributes), the database must be accessed to restore playback position.

If this is the reason for disallowing audio book folder browsing, then a compromise might be to allow such browsing, but to not restore playback position if the book is launched via folder browsing. At least one could "see" the files.

Last edited by bannerdog; 01-04-2013 at 12:04 PM. Reason: Minor typo
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