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Old 02-03-2015, 05:14 PM
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Hi. I'm looking for the best sounding mp3 player under the 150€ range with an extension card slot. I've read good things about a rockboxed Sansa Clip+. Is there any better? Maybe the Cowon J3 but I find a bit expansive. I'm gonna use it with 128gb sd cards and 320 kbps mp3. Thanks!

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Old 02-04-2015, 04:18 AM
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buy an android cellphone.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:45 AM
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No thanks.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:15 AM
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Too bad, since there is no real market for mp3 players anymore.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:35 PM
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That's not answering to the question I asked.
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Old 02-04-2015, 02:27 PM
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Fiio x1. Just got one myself. Love it so far.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:10 PM
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Additionally, the new Sony A17 Walkman and the Cowon M2.

lock67ca, I've been curious about the X1. Do you have pros and cons on it?
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:49 PM
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The Sony A17 Walkman is too expansive. The M2 and X1 are fine, but are they better than the Clip+ ?
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Bang for your buck I can't think of any MP3 player that beats the Sansa Clip+/Zip.
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Old 02-04-2015, 05:32 PM
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If would be helpful if you made it clear what you mean by "better". I have a unactivated smartphone I bought for the same $40 a new clip+ costs I consider better. I consider it better than my Clip+ because it has a larger screen, close to 3 times the battery life, wifi capability and access to Google Play and it's thousands of apps. It has all that while delivering sound quality that easily matches the Clip+.

I'm not trying to push the smartphone option on you. I'm letting you know why it's being suggested. Post what you need to consider a device better and if anyone knows of something that fits your criteria they'll give their suggestion.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:25 PM
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Yeah I forgot that. I mean better in sound quality. I just want a DAP that plays music and do nothing else. Another question though: Is a portable amp a worth improvement ?
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:51 PM
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lock67ca, I've been curious about the X1. Do you have pros and cons on it?

Takes up to 128g micro SD card. Will play just about any lossy/lossless format you throw at it. Supports up to 192/24. Sounds better than the Sansa Clip/Fuze, in my opinion. One thing to be aware of though. It has no internal memory. You need to use the microSD. I think it's easily the best player you can get at its price point.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:58 PM
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Why I consider the clips better than smartphones:

-They boot ups in a second or two. The smartphone boots up in tens of seconds. It, of course, can wake up in a second of two but that means that it will be out of juice in a few days in case you don't use it or recharge it during that time.

-Smartphones are more cumbersome to control, demanding more eye-hand coordination than the tactile controls of the simple audio players. Sometimes in the night I would rather keep my eyes closed when shutting down the player so not to expose my eyes to light - I can do that with a clip player.

-They are big and actually not very easy to move about with unless you have a convenient pocket for it. Test this:
Sit comfortably listening to music with your smartphone, then while you continue listening, stand up, maybe wash some dishes, do a couple push-ups on the floor, go back to sitting comfortably. I can do this without any problems with a clip player, without having to touch the player even once.

When using a smartphone I would need a shirt pocket to hold the phone securely but even then it might not be secure enough when doing a push-up. But I don't have shirts with pockets so the test goes like this for me:
I stand up from the chair, put the phone into the front pocket of my pants, do the dishes. When getting down to the floor, I notice that the smartphone, and specially the jack socket, and the earphone jack is at risk in my jeans pocket, so I have to put the phone somewhere else, but where? Then coming back to to the chair, I have to again take the phone out of the pocket to not put strain on it and the earphone jack and to be able to sit comfortably.

Of course, I could solve this usability problem by having shirts with pockets or some kind of phone holsters but as it is now, phones are not ideal players.

When using the phone as an audio player, there are some pros also: I won't miss a call like I have done several times when using a standalone player and I only need to take one device with me instead of two devices when I go somewhere.

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Old 02-04-2015, 08:54 PM
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Takes up to 128g micro SD card. Will play just about any lossy/lossless format you throw at it. Supports up to 192/24. Sounds better than the Sansa Clip/Fuze, in my opinion. One thing to be aware of though. It has no internal memory. You need to use the microSD. I think it's easily the best player you can get at its price point.
Thanks--appreciate the info.!
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:44 PM
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Yeah I forgot that. I mean better in sound quality.
Considering that DAPs that are working properly sound too much alike to hear a difference I advise against trying to shop sound quality. Shop the features you prefer and make your decisions based on that. The BBE effects used in Cowons are a feature, not part of the base sound quality. If you like those go for the Cowon.
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I just want a DAP that plays music and do nothing else.
Because a device is able to perform other functions doesn't stop it from being an excellent music player. Meaningful development in DAPs has essentially come to an end because the tech that made them popular has been incorporated into smartphones. Not every phone has great sound quality but just about every flagship model made in the last few years does. That has had the trickle down effect of lower priced models that use the same tech also having good sound quality.
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Another question though: Is a portable amp a worth improvement ?
The typical role of an amp is to make the signal louder, not improve sound quality. An amp can help with sound quality if the source device has an issue like high output impedance. If you get a Clip+ you won't need one if it's loud enough. The Clip+ already has a very good amp.
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Old 02-05-2015, 04:10 AM
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I don't want to pay for functions I will never use and I already have a phone. And I don't like smartphones. So you're telling me that I won't hear a difference between a Fiio X1, a Clip+ and a Cowon J3 ?
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Old 02-05-2015, 05:28 AM
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So you're telling me that I won't hear a difference between a Fiio X1, a Clip+ and a Cowon J3 ?
Do you use signal processing? If not, a rockboxed Clip+ might be all that you need. Because the Clip+ does have outstanding sound quality: http://nwavguy.blogspot.ca/2011/02/s...-measured.html.
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Old 02-05-2015, 05:32 AM
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What do you mean by "using signal processing" ?
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Old 02-05-2015, 05:37 AM
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What do you mean by "using signal processing" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_signal_processing.
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Old 02-05-2015, 05:59 AM
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Well I guess an equalizer is signal processing, so yeah.
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