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Old 01-25-2007, 02:40 PM
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Question Latest Firmware?

I've always had a fondness for Creative's hardware but hated their crap customer service/software-firmware update cycles. (Can't tell you how many sound card issues they suggested reformatting my hard drive to fix.)

Anyway, I just bought a Zen Nano Plus 1Gb. As I like to do I went over to their file download section to get the latest software and firmware.

Their latest firmware: 1.13.03
Firmware on my player: 1.13.05

Wt? So I emailed their support about the latest version and if I could either backup my firmware or get a file copy of the 1.13.05 just in case.
Their answer was you can't back up your firmware, and you shouldn't update unless you are having a problem.

How does that explain that their website is out of date versus shipping firmware?
Does anyone have this newer one as a file or know a way to dump the firmware?
Heck should I even be using the 1.13.05 firmware? Anyone know what it changes?
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:36 AM
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Smile My opinion of the situation....

Well hi, DoctorM.

I'm new here, so i really don't know much about this,

but in my ZEN Nano Plus (512mb), i have 1.13.05e. It's kinda weird, that when you buy a new player now, you get 1.13.05e, but it's not downloadable from Creative or anywhere. 1.13.05e cannot record from radio, and what i've been reading, it also has some massive problems.

So why is Creative holding back 1.13.05?

The answer is simple (my opinion): Creative is taking orders from aliens!
They have created IPod! They want to get Creative destroyed!

OK OK, just a little fun, really i think it's because 1.13.05 is NOT a real firmware update. It's just a firmware that Creative made for ZEN Nano Plus because if they would have put 1.13.03, they could'nt sell it with FM radio record. I think that in few weeks (months), they will release a real firmware update which includes FM recording.

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Old 01-29-2007, 12:38 AM
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I think you might be right. I was thinking their lawyers are hashing out whether to keep the radio record function or not so this is an interim version
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When they know what they're doing for sure they'll release a newer upgrade that'll either give everyone FM recording or take it away from everyone.
Heck, I read on one forum post (not here) that someone had a 1.14.0x firmware. I really wish there were a way to rip these and pass them around.

Btw, in case you don't know the 'e' means that it's European firmware so it has an imposed volume level restriction.
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:36 AM
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Default Latest Firmware

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All that I see that I have control over is the Filter field and Display field number of items displayed on a page.

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Old 08-26-2009, 12:48 PM
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Does anyone have this newer one as a file or know a way to dump the firmware?
Heck should I even be using the 1.13.05 firmware? Anyone know what it changes?
The latest firmware is 1.14.03 (or 1.14.03e with limited volume)

Download here:
http://support.creative.com/download...ownloadId=9945

Information here:
http://support.creative.com/Products...me=MP3+Players

HTH, Dave
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:22 PM
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Thanks for all the info!

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Old 07-14-2010, 09:33 AM
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Default Icon Problem with Zen Nano Plus Flash Player

I have a Zen Nano Plus one giga byte flash player. It has been giving me a problem ever since I formatted it. Formatting the unit deleted the pretty blue mp3 icon. Does anyone know how to retrieve this icon and how to store it back into the machine? There must have been a hidden application folder or something containing this icon because it is not on the firmware in the drive nor in the CD that came with the unit. I was completely unaware that the icon would be lost upon formatting and there was no warning except of course to save my data. Does anyone know how to reestablish the icon? I do not want to update the firmware because the machine was working fine without doing that and I suspect that the update would not have that icon anyway since I believe the icon was in a hidden folder. I went through all the steps to reestablish the software on my computer using the add/remove section of the control panel and the CD that came with the unit. Of course, the icon would not be there. I cannot get any help from the company because they no longer support the unit nor do they have any of these units in stock to sell, fix or replace. The best they could do was to suggest the update for the firmware. I realize that someone would have to email me the icon along with the installation instructions. Would someone please help me?Thank you,Virgil.
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Old 07-30-2010, 01:50 PM
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Default Zen nano Icon

There is a Zen nano Icon on the installation disk that came with the Zen Nano Plus

Instructions for Win XP
1) If you can't see hidden files or file extensions in My computer select Tools>Folder options>view then select show hidden files and folders and uncheck Hide extensions for known file types. Then click on apply to all folders.
2) Put the CD in drive and close the creative installation window.
3) In My Computer right click on the Creative CD and select Explore
4) Look in the CTRun folder (double click) and you will see CTRun.ico -with a small picture of the Nano.
5) Plug in your Nano and open the drive to see the files. Drag and drop CTrun.ico from the CD window to the Zen window (In the root folder not a sub-folder.)
6) Optional - What I did was rename CTrun.ico to Zen_nano.ico in the Nano
7) Optional - Undo step1

Job done
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:55 PM
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:17 PM
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Default The Icon Images on the MP3s in the Zen Nano Plus Flash Drive are Transformed

Shortly after my purchase, the drive became frozen. When I contacted the company, their service department recommended that I do a complete reinstall of the firmware. I was able to do this without incident and the player has worked fine from there.

Some time later the drive was accidentally formatted. I noticed that the small image on each of the recorded MP3 icons were absent and in their place were the Microsoft default images. I would like to restore those original images that were on the MP3 icons before they were lost. However I believe that to be impossible without a reinstallation of the firmware.

Therefore it seems like my only recourse is to reload the firmware like I did when the drive was frozen. I want to reload the same version of the firmware that is in my player now. Does anyone know how I can do that? Perhaps it may involve determining what the drive is currently using.

Would someone please help?
Thank you,
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:37 PM
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Hi Virgil,
I'm having difficulty understanding your problem.
I think your problem occurs when you use a Windows PC to look at the files on the ZNP. Then the icon associated with each mp3 file is just the default windows one. If this is the case proceed as follows:

No matter how many times you format and re-install firmware on the ZNP, this will not show the MP3 files any differently on your PC. - All that is happening is that the PC sees an mp3 file and shows it with the registered mp3 icon. In other words leave the player alone.

On your PC before you do anything, ensure that you have a backup of your music files on cd/dvd/pendrive/sdcard/whatever- just in case.
Then you have a choice of three actions:

1) Do nothing - nothing is broken, it's just a picture next to a file. Highly recommended. If it ain't broken don't fix it!

2) Re-install the Creative software from the creative disc to the PC (not the ZNP) I don't know if this will cure your problem but it's a good bet as something changed your icon in the first place. Don't blame me if it goes pear shaped!

3) If you are good with Windows:
a) Put the Zen CD in the drive and do a windows search on the CD for .ico.
b) From the search results drag and drop Obj_Music_MP3.ico into my documents - hopefully this is the picture you want. If not stop here.
c) follow these instructions but file type= mp3 and the icon the one you copied in step b

You can of course use a different icon (.ico file) of your choice downloaded from the web. Just google mp3 icons

Dave

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Old 02-04-2011, 01:41 AM
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To David C. from Virgil.

Yes I did something. I accidently formatted my Zen N P drive. From then on, it's been bad. I have not as of yet reloaded the firmware on the ZNP that support
gave me. I did however follow your directions using Windows XP to get some kind of icon but it was not what I wanted because it did not change the picture
on the mp3s.

I have not as of yet tried your new suggestions. So why can't I get the ZNP back to its original condition by reloading the firmware? The company must be able
to do it properly in their factory. When my ZNP froze I had no trouble after a reload. It worked perfectly. I do not understand icons very well, perhaps you are
right, but what I still want to know is why can't I get that icon back from a fresh reload? – Virgil.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:10 AM
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OK, just so we are perfectly clear on what is happening please answer the following:

With the player not connected to the PC
....Is the ZNP working:
....Is it playing back songs ok?
....Can you navigate round it?
....What version of firmware is loaded? To see this Press the wheel then scroll to Settings. Then press the wheel again then scroll to Information. Press the wheel a final time and read the firmware version.

Now the computer interface:
....When you plug in the ZNP does windows recognise it as a removable drive
....Can you see the drive in My Computer
....When you open the drive in my computer, can you see the folders and mp3 files on the player?
....Can you drag and drop songs (MP3 files) from your PC on to the ZNP
....Same with folders of songs.

And finally icons on the computer interface
....Does the wording for individual MP3 files show as this song -or- this song.mp3
....Is there a small picture (icon) resembling a musical note next to each music file? I think this is what you are unhappy about.

Finally what do you mean by that icon in the last sentence of your post?

Apologies if I'm being a bit simplistic but I'm trying to help. Just that some ideas are difficult to get across when we are not face-to-face.

Dave

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Old 02-05-2011, 04:24 PM
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Default Details Of My Zen Nano Plus

Dave,

It seems as if the player is Okay. I have no songs on it presently, just the recorded MP3s which seems to play fine.

Yes I can navigate around on it, meaning I can go to everything on the Player.

Its version is: 1.12.02

I am not objecting to this version. It worked fine except for when it became frozen. The support team at Creative had
me fix it somehow. So it was Okay. This was a long time ago; I bought it in 2006. I think they had me do a format and
a reinstall of the firmware; it is hard to remember.

Yes my PC recognizes it as a removable drive. I saved all my MP3 files and backed them up in three places independent
of my internal hard drive. With all my files removed I have about 920 MB unused and 6.84 MB used.

When I open the drive in My Computer I have only one yellow folder. I believe I deleted the other three folders; I do
not remember why. Perhaps I was running out of space for my MP3s or I was trouble shooting. The recent addition
to this is that picture icon of the ZNP itself which I put in last week by following your directions.

Yes I can see one folder labeled Encoded Tracks. Within this folder I see a few MP3s that I recently made as tests.
There is nothing wrong with the audio quality of these MP3s.

Yes I can drag the MP3s out of the Player and my Windows Media player plays correctly when it is in the folder or
dragged to my desktop.

Yes the folder accepts MP3 drags from my desktop, no problem there.

I do not understand the difference between song and song.mp3

The folder in the ZNP is labeled Encoded Tracks and each MP3 is labeled En001, En002, etc.

To explain exactly what my problem is perhaps I can give you an example if you are using Windows Media Player 9. (I do
not know if my example will work with another player or another version of the ZNP.) Have your ZNP open to your MP3s.
Now open your WMP go to tools click Options then click File Type and check MP3 audio file (mp3). Then instantly all my
MP3s throughout my computer gets the Windows logo, including the ones in this folder. The action is global in my PC. I
originally had this problem when I bought the drive. I unchecked the mark and the problem was solved. However, in this
case the small original blue Icon on the MP3 is missing, how do I get that back. What is there now is Microsoft’s
default image of a small flag.

What I want to get back is that small little blue icon that existed on top of the MP3s. It is not so simple for me to
obtain, since I do not know how to do it. I am at a loss. What should I do to get it back? Do I just reload the version
of firmware I am using? Or do I need to just flash it? (I do want to keep the version of firmware I am using.)

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Old 02-06-2011, 10:49 AM
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Hi, Virgil

From your description it sounds like Windows Media Player (WMP) changes the icon when you select/deselect file types. I didn't know that it did that! Checking on my system (WMP11) it does!

I think I have a solution for you - should be the same in WMP9 as in WMP11
The good news is that there is no reload of firmware to the ZNP. All these actions are reversible.

1) Open WMP and select Tools > Options > File Types and make sure MP3 is checked. OK and close WMP. This makes WMP the default player for MPŁ file types.

2) Open your Zen or any hard drive folder containing mp3s in Windows Explorer so you can see MP3 files.
In Windows Explorer select Tools > Folder Options > File types and scroll down and highlight MP3

3) In the bottom part of the window it will say opens with Windows Media Player - this is from step 1. Now Click Advanced.

4) In the Edit File Type window it will say MP3 format sound and now click on Change Icon.

5) In the Change icon window under Look for items in this file it should already say C:\WINDOWS\system32\wmploc.dll. If not you will have to browse for it. It's a required file for WMP so it should be there.

6) Click on the desired MP3 icon (on my pc it is on the bottom row about half-way across) Now OK, OK and Close

Job done - I hope
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:08 PM
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Default Struggling with Your Instructions

Dave.

I got to a certain point with your instructions before I got stuck, so I tried it in Windows XP.
That was fruitless as well.

So before I go any further, let me explain the things I tried in order to solve this problem. You have to realize that
everything I tried was useless. All the technicians I spoke to explained to me that the problem existed within my
computer and they could fix it. Okay if that is what it is, then perhaps I could do it.

I wanted to reload the installation disk for the ZNP but for some reason it would not uninstall, or I did not no how to
do it. After a long hard struggle with my computer it became apparent that my ZNP would no longer function and I found
that the installation disk was useless. (In other words I messed up my computer). I decided to reformat my hard drive
and reload the Operating System.

So where does that icon reside? It seems to me that it (the icon) is either in my OS and my ZNP somehow chooses it when
it loads, or it is in the firmware.

I got as far as step 3 with your instructions before I got stuck. My WMP does not have an advanced tag. However, there
is an advanced tag in Internet Options but that is not it. I found the Folder Options by going to Start> Setting> Folder
Options. Windows 98 has everything but slightly in different places. Where do I find this advanced tag described in
step 3 which refers to step 1? Is this where I will find “Edit File Type” as described in step 4?

I am sorry for being so confused, but I am using Windows 98 Second Edition. I am using a dual boot to Windows XP so I
might be able to do it better there, but that OS is so bad that I do not think so.

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Old 02-07-2011, 05:47 AM
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Hi Virgil,

First off the icon resides in the operating system (in wmploc.dll). What happens is that the OS sees an MP3 file then looks at the file associations it has for MP3 then decides that it needs to open with windows media player and displays the associated icon.
(All the ZNP sees is an MP3 file and uses the MP3 bit of firmware to decode and play the file - the znp doesn't care about the icon).

I did my instructions for Windows XP as I removed Win 98SE after Microsoft stopped the support. As you say it may be in slightly different places in 98SE. As I Don't have 98SE I'm reluctant to post instructions that I haven't tried. Be warned I haven't any clue about dual boot systems.

Step 3 onwards takes place in Windows Explorer in XP.
Googling says that the equivalent in 98se is My Computer>View>Folder
options>File types
. Select MP3. Click on Edit/Change Icons. So you were really close.

Before you do that it may be worth a windows search to look for the offending wmploc.dll, because that's the file that contains the icon. I assume that on a dual boot system there is one for 98 and one for XP.

It's OK to be confused we've all been there. At least you haven't given up (yet)

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Old 02-07-2011, 11:50 PM
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Dave,

You were right, I was almost there. The “Advanced” part of the instructions threw me. Anyway, by going to the “Edit” I was able to
change the icons.

However, the icon I was looking for was not in that edit box, and when I accessed the wmploc.dll file, I could not tell what was in the file.
Now in order to use that file shall I drag and drop it to the edit box, highlight it and proceed from there?

Before I formatted and reloaded my OS in my PC, I saved all the files from my computer into an external hard drive. According to the
computer dynamics, of which I did not realize, was the extent of the global effect. When I wanted to go on line by accessing the dialog
boxes in this external hard drive, all the settings in those boxes were changed. It took me about a month or so of searching on Google
before I found a correct path for internet access using those dialog boxes.

Now my concern is that wmploc.dll file in my external hard drive. I am interested to know if that dll file could have been changed by that
global effect just mentioned or by the formatting of my ZNP. (That is how the problem started in the first place, formatting the ZNP). If
that dll file in my external hard drive is still intact, that is, has the icon I am searching for, then perhaps I could use it.

If this does not work, would you know how I can obtain the icon I am searching?

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Old 02-08-2011, 01:49 PM
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1) You have obviously found wmploc.dll on your PC. Make a note of the full pathname of this file. On my XP system it's C:\WINDOWS\system32\wmploc.dll.

2) You have found the edit window so you can see and change icons in that Edit window hit the browse button.

3) Browse to the wmploc.dll file using the full pathname as in step 1

4) You should now see the proper set of icons.

Failing that try the following:
a) Rename wmploc.dll to wmploc.dll.old
b) Copy the wmploc.dll file from the external hard drive to the same folder.
c) Repeat the above steps 1-4
d) If it all goes pear shaped just delete wmploc.dll from step b and rename wmploc.dll.old back to to wmploc.dll

Failing that Google Windows 98 tweakui This tool has a icon repair function that may be helpful

Sorry but this will probably be my last post on this subject as it has gone way past the subject of ZNP and into changing icons on an outdated version of Windows. As I have already said, I know nothing about dual-boot systems and I'm only working on my memory of 98 SE. I've found myself Googling for Windows 98 change icons and realised then that my input on this subject was exhausted. I don't want to pass on second-hand information and I am very reluctant to post anything that I haven't tried.

As you have already said, the ZNP is working fine, all we are talking about is a small picture next to a file name.

FYI The latest firmware (1.14.03) and drivers and software is here.

Dave

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Old 02-09-2011, 06:13 PM
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Dave,

I want to thank you for your patience and understanding. I learned quite a lot about icons and how to change them. I
was subsequently able to change the icon for the MP3s in the Zen Nano Plus drive. I realize that you are not going to
give any more posts on this subject and I do not expect you to.

However, the icon I was pertaining to was not in that dll file suggested nor was it in any of the other dll files I
searched. I am convinced that the icon I am looking for is not in my computer. Perhaps the icon is still in the ZNP’s
firmware, I do not know, but in any event it is not being accessed.

This leads me to believe that the firmware was either corrupted by the formatting process or that the icon was just
simply lost and is now unrecoverable. Whatever the reason, the results are the same, my icon is missing.

For the most part the drive seems to be working correctly but in order to get the ZNP back to its original state; I
think I will have to reload this firmware. To do that properly I think I will have to get some help.

Perhaps someone could help me reload the firmware? Its version is 1.12.02. I may have to contact Creative.

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