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Old 02-13-2010, 10:27 PM
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Unhappy FLAC support, too much to wish for?

If it weren't for the lack of FLAC support, I'd buy a Sony in a heartbeat. I'm simply not going to go to the chore of converting my collection into multiple formats to suit the limitations of different hardware. I have already decided on one audio format to rule them all, one audio format to find them, one audio format to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:47 PM
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Instead of getting philosophical, just get a Cowon, Samsung, or Sansa dap. 'Nuff said.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:09 AM
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If it weren't for the lack of FLAC support, I'd buy a Sony in a heartbeat. I'm simply not going to go to the chore of converting my collection into multiple formats to suit the limitations of different hardware. I have already decided on one audio format to rule them all, one audio format to find them, one audio format to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
I don't find it much of a chore at all. I've converted 10 FLAC albums into lossy formats at the same time before.....the hardest part was moving the mouse and clicking it, then I sat and watched the CPU temps and fan speeds.

If you really think you can hear the difference between FLAC and a well-encoded lossy file, then don't bother with a Sony, and follow my friend's advice in the previous post.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:23 PM
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yea its a better idea to keep to lossy on portables.
you just arent going to hear the difference on a portable, you aren't carrying around 300+ dollar headphones with a separate headphone amp are you?
unless you are doing that, its a bit of a joke, and a massive rape of your battery life, the bigger the file lossy or not lossy, the worse your run time.

there are tools that will mass convert your files to lossy, harddrives are so huge these days you can easily afford to keep 2 copies of each file for separate purposes.
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Old 04-15-2010, 05:44 AM
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The new Sony Ericsson mobile phone Zylo which have the Walkman branding on it suports Flac.
So mayby there is hope after all.
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:53 AM
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Or just use wav if you want a Sony.
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Old 06-15-2010, 02:10 AM
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Or you get a 64GB Sony A847 from Japan.. Try a site like PriceJapan.com
And use the English version of SonicStage I'm working on here to convert your music to ATRAC advanced lossless. Yeah, it isn't FLAC, but it's the only way to get a compressed lossless format for a Sony Walkman.
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Old 12-22-2011, 03:49 PM
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Old thread, I know...

I think it's strage too.
Philips (a partner with Sony in the early days of digital audio) does have mp3-players that do play flac.
...has "Walkman" become just a meaningless name..?
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:46 AM
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can you hear difference between mp3 at 320 and FLAC?
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:48 AM
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can you hear difference between mp3 at 320 and FLAC?
Honestly?
Nope, I can't...
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:11 PM
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Honestly?
Nope, I can't...
Then why waste memory with quality you can't hear ?
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:35 PM
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Then why waste memory with quality you can't hear ?
Because some people like overkill.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:26 AM
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Or just because some of us have a lot of flac files.

And maybe on better equipment you can indeed hear the difference.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:30 AM
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True everyone has valid points, but for me I will never use FLAC on any DAP .
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:21 PM
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I value both flac and gapless but i value gapless more. Now combine the two and we have a winner.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:17 PM
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Or just because some of us have a lot of flac files.

And maybe on better equipment you can indeed hear the difference.
An added reason is that you can use them as master files and convert them into other formats as needed, rather then having to re-rip them.
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:08 PM
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The whole thing with FLAC is that it's a great format for archiving purposes. It preserves the integrity of your CD music while being smaller (in file size) than an equivalent Wave file.

Put simply, in terms of portable applications, you just can't hear the "benefits" of FLAC. Do an ABX. I don't know whether such an app exists for Android (I myself use a Z) but you can do it on your PC with Foobar2000 (haven't found such a thing for Linux yet).

If you wonder whether you can identify FLAC vs. 320kbps MP3, try 320kbps MP3 vs. 192kbps MP3 first. You are not going to hear a difference unless you have extremely good earphones and concentrate very hard on a single part of the music.

I know I can't hear it normally. I might be cheating myself if I concentrate really hard on a single cymbal crash. But even then, you're walking out there, have you got the heart to concentrate on your music instead of not being rammed by an Amtrak, because you're walking on a rail (and that has happened before)?

Now people do really hear a difference in FLAC. I know. It's psychological satisfaction, or, placebo effect. Just like cables.

Listen, go setup a system with your Meridian or your Wadia, throw in the Orpheus or some STAX or the new thing FAD just released, or if you prefer speakers a Kharma Grand Enigma with Krell amps. Then maybe you'll hear a difference between lossy and lossless.

Portable applications? It's fast-food. Aim for "good enough".
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:18 PM
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Yup, as far as a portable DAP is concerned, FLAC is whack!lol-034.gif
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Old 03-24-2012, 09:38 PM
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I don't understand the objection to FLAC. It's a terrific archiving format as others have mentioned. And then, if your player has enough storage space, why bother to re-encode in lossy formats? So it uses more battery power: recharge more often, problem solved. I think it does make a difference in battery runtime, but not THAT much difference. With today's big capacities, storage space isn't a problem unless your collection is huge. I don't see the point of buying a high capacity player if it doesn't save you from having to juggle different files and formats around. Does anyone REALLY buy a Cowon X7 and fill it with 160GB of Vorbis or MP3? Even on my D2 (16+16GB) I have a lot of flacs and lots of space left over. If I ran out of space I'd probably just upgrade to a bigger SD card rather than mess with multiple encodings. Cards are crazy cheap now, compared to not that long ago.
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:19 PM
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Does anyone REALLY buy a Cowon X7 and fill it with 160GB of Vorbis or MP3?
Yes, they do....sometimes it's more like 90GB of MP3 and 50GB of videos.

I personally don't need or want to carry my entire music collection around with me. I had a 64GB player a while back, and even with that, there was stuff on it that I hardly ever listened to. But there's people out there want to have every last song of theirs with them.

Mikerman, for example, has repeatedly wished for a 128GB Clip+ so that he could have all his music with him....and I'm sure he's not the only one. musichound and The DarkSide have 160GB iPod Classics and I bet they don't have a lot of free space.
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