android
  #1  
Old 03-18-2011, 08:46 AM
Kblavkalash Kblavkalash is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Default What does "low bass" mean?

Hey abi,

I noticed a lot of people say that some headphones (IEMs) have low/weak bass. Also noticed this on dfkt's headphone comparison. So I just bought cowon i9 + klipsch s3 and tried playing with equalizer and different settings. I increased bass a lot and on most songs bass is very strong and there's even too much bass - it's just uncomfortable. So that means that those headphones have very good bass, or do you measure bass when equalizer is on default?

Or I could ask this question on different way: do you always max out bass on equalizer before saying that headphones has weak bass?

That's my first "decent" IEM headphones so maybe I just don't know what "real" bass means
Reply With Quote

Advertisement [Remove Advertisement]

  #2  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:16 AM
IDvsEGO's Avatar
IDvsEGO IDvsEGO is offline
Ultra Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,751
Default

the cowon players have ore bass boosting ability than most players. I was about to take back my senn hd428s because of a lack of bass...then I got my J3 and decided to keep them. they are positivley lacking when using my ipod touch 3rd gen or my nook.
Reply With Quote

  #3  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:19 AM
sYlt's Avatar
sYlt sYlt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 291
Default

I believe when qualifying IEMs it's all under flat EQ, which makes more sense, but of course one can and should adapt the EQ to their tastes and to each IEM sound aspects.
Reply With Quote

  #4  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:22 AM
cnhardwick cnhardwick is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 287
Default

When I saw the title I was thinking of sub-bass.

Bass quantity is usually judged with EQ off.
__________________
Players: 4 GB Sansa Clip | 32 GB iPod touch (4th generation)
Headphones: Audio-Technica ATH-M50 IEM: MEElectronics A151, M6 and M9P
Reply With Quote

  #5  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:27 AM
Kblavkalash Kblavkalash is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Default

Then what's the point of saying that headphones have low bass when you can just increase bass using EQ until it's enough for you?
Reply With Quote

  #6  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:29 AM
dfkt's Avatar
dfkt dfkt is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 15,330
Default

One point is that many MP3 players have rather bad sounding EQs, and only a selected few (Cowon, Rockbox, etc) actually improve sound quality when using their EQs, instead of making the sound worse.
__________________
Please don't PM me with questions that can be answered in a forum thread. Don't be an idiot.
My Gear and Reviews | My RMAA Tests | IRC: #anythingbutipod on Freenode | Last.fm | Album Art Exchange | Rockbox | Replaygain
Reply With Quote

  #7  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:35 AM
cnhardwick cnhardwick is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 287
Default

What dfkt said. Besides that, some people (like myself) do not really like messing with EQ.
__________________
Players: 4 GB Sansa Clip | 32 GB iPod touch (4th generation)
Headphones: Audio-Technica ATH-M50 IEM: MEElectronics A151, M6 and M9P
Reply With Quote

  #8  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:42 AM
WalkGood's Avatar
WalkGood WalkGood is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: FL
Posts: 12,579
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kblavkalash View Post
Then what's the point of saying that headphones have low bass when you can just increase bass using EQ until it's enough for you?
Wouldn't you like to get the real picture before you resort to EQ'ing to taste. BTW I agree with sYlt and dfkt's posts. Also IMO it's better to reduce values to eq to taste than to increase, unless it's a subtle increase, works better for me.
__________________
WalkGood,
Ramón

abi >> | Forum Rules | Glossary | Why Rockbox | FLAC or MP3? | irc
Reply With Quote

  #9  
Old 03-18-2011, 09:51 AM
Kblavkalash Kblavkalash is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkGood View Post
Wouldn't you like to get the real picture before you resort to EQ'ing to taste. BTW I agree with sYlt and dfkt's posts. Also IMO it's better to reduce values to eq to taste than to increase, unless it's a subtle increase, works better for me.
Well I mean you take really good headphones and they have strong bass by default. Now you take mediocre headphones and increase bass using EQ - now they become similar to those good headphones

But if increasing frequency means worse sound quality then I agree with you, I thought SQ remains the same.
Reply With Quote

  #10  
Old 03-18-2011, 10:00 AM
dfkt's Avatar
dfkt dfkt is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 15,330
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kblavkalash View Post
Well I mean you take really good headphones and they have strong bass by default.
Bass quantity doesn't say anything about the overall quality of a phone at all. You can get good and bad sounding phones with lots or little bass.

For example, the Phonak PFE or Ortofon e-Q5 have rather little bass quantity (but very good bass quality), yet they are excellent phones overall.
__________________
Please don't PM me with questions that can be answered in a forum thread. Don't be an idiot.
My Gear and Reviews | My RMAA Tests | IRC: #anythingbutipod on Freenode | Last.fm | Album Art Exchange | Rockbox | Replaygain
Reply With Quote

  #11  
Old 03-18-2011, 10:33 AM
Kblavkalash Kblavkalash is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Default

Yeah I understand that, I meant to say "...you take really good headphones which have strong bass by default." :P

I was talking about bass quantity, not on quality in this thread. You in your spreadsheet even separated quantity and quality bass. On some headphones you wrote "Little" bass, but that's not a big problem if you can boost it using good equalizer.
Reply With Quote

  #12  
Old 03-18-2011, 10:41 AM
zefhar's Avatar
zefhar zefhar is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 45
Default

Headphone characteristics/specs may be judged on flat EQ 'cause that's their 'native' response to signal input.

EQing isn't a remedy for headphones with poor specs; it's just a way of modulating sound to your tastes depending on music genre, listening habits, etc.

If, in particular, a headphone set lacks of bass quantity/quality, EQ-boosting low freqs to max won't do any good. As dfkt said, it'll most likely sound worst.
Reply With Quote

  #13  
Old 03-18-2011, 11:13 AM
Satellite_6's Avatar
Satellite_6 Satellite_6 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: VA, USA
Posts: 871
Default

Turn down the other frequencies and you will have louder bass, and it will sound better. I pity the fool who chooses to not use an EQ to improve the sound.
__________________
satelliteaudioblog.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote

  #14  
Old 03-18-2011, 11:31 AM
Alon93's Avatar
Alon93 Alon93 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kblavkalash View Post
Or I could ask this question on different way: do you always max out bass on equalizer before saying that headphones has weak bass?
Many headphones don't respond well to heavy equalizing.
__________________
Zune HD 16GB \ Clip+ 20GB -> UE Triple.fi 10
Reply With Quote

Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:59 PM.