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Old 10-21-2011, 04:03 PM
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"with the Zip they made it slightly bigger in height and width and kept the weight in check by making it a little thinner. So I don't want them making it 25% thicker. I get around 12 hours playtime with my high-bitrate MP3's, and I am just fine with that....after all, it is not my only player. "

The Clip Zip is much lighter than the Clip+. For many people, a Clip is their only player.
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Old 10-21-2011, 04:17 PM
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The Clip Zip is much lighter than the Clip+. For many people, a Clip is their only player.
Do you have a Clip Zip, to compare them? You can't trust all the dimensions you read online, they can vary from one website to another. I don't recall which site it was(it was six weeks or so ago), but there was one I had seen while researching for my review that was listing the Zip measurements as the same as the Clip+, which is clearly in error.

Regardless of the semantics of what constitutes "much lighter", the fact remains that if you made it 25% thicker and jammed a larger battery in there, it would get significantly heavier......which would detract from the device's intended use as an ultraportable DAP.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:33 PM
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Regardless of the semantics of what constitutes "much lighter", the fact remains that if you made it 25% thicker and jammed a larger battery in there, it would get significantly heavier......which would detract from the device's intended use as an ultraportable DAP.
We've had similar discussions to this one before. Some folks (like myself) are happy with the battery life of the Clip family. Others want more battery life. This groups needs what I call the Super Clip, larger & heavier with more battery life and probably a better screen at presumably a greater cost.

Personally I didn't see a large audience for the Super Clip before the Fuze was discontinued, but the Fuze+ hasn't covered that need. To me, it will be quite interesting when Sansa brings out the Fuze+ replacement (Fuze Zip?) presumably in Aug/Sept/Oct/Nov 2012 (depends where you live, as the Clip Zip is not available in Canadian stores as of yesterday). Will it be the Super Clip Zip or something else?

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Old 10-21-2011, 05:43 PM
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And call it the Fuze+?
Naw. The Clip Zip's screen doesn't need to be physically larger, it just needs more pixels to fill that space. Something akin to the first generation iPod Nano's pixel density would suffice.

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Seriously, with a player this inexpensive there are tradeoffs to reach a price point.
Of course there are...though I'm personally willing to pay more for better. Even a little more for a little better.

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Clips are known for OLED screens, so color is the next logical step. I suspect that these OLED [sic] panels are available for real cheap -- no use in phones, tablets or most other devices so the manufacturer may have plenty of unused stock.
I'm sure they are. They're pretty crappy.

It should also be mentioned that, by going full-color, the Clip Zip departs from the Clip line's trend of using OLED screens and sports a plain old LCD. I've seen it misstated elsewhere on the net (on Wikipedia and the Rockbox wiki, for instance) that the Zip's screen is OLED, but it plainly isn't. (For print confirmation, I refer you to SanDisk's Clip Zip press release.)

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Perhaps the next iteration will have higher density.
It better.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:52 PM
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I've never really checked the battery time on my Clip+, but as long as it at least gets 8 hours, I'm good to go. I primarily listen to it at work. Charging it up isn't that big of a deal.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:47 PM
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It should also be mentioned that, by going full-color, the Clip Zip departs from the Clip line's trend of using OLED screens and sports a plain old LCD. I've seen it misstated elsewhere on the net (on Wikipedia and the Rockbox wiki, for instance) that the Zip's screen is OLED, but it plainly isn't. (For print confirmation, I refer you to SanDisk's Clip Zip press release.)
SanDisk has misspoken -- even with the press release. It is an OLED but just not a very good one and one that needs color and grayscale calibration.
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:06 PM
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SanDisk has misspoken -- even with the press release. It is an OLED but just not a very good one and one that needs color and grayscale calibration.
I beg to differ.....http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum...&postcount=160
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum...&postcount=204
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:35 PM
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I really beg to differ:

Update: datasheet http://www.displayfuture.com/enginee...LED/M00231.pdf (it could be the M00230 as well)

Your turn to beg!

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Old 10-21-2011, 09:47 PM
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Did you not see this?
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Update: datasheet http://www.displayfuture.com/enginee...LED/M00231.pdf (it could be the M00230 as well)
If that is indeed the one from the Zip, somebody better let the Rockbox guys know.....
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I saw that. Does the test have text to say "OLED test"?
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Old 10-21-2011, 10:00 PM
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I saw that. Does the test have text to say "OLED test"?
Couldn't tell you.....if it did, I didn't see it. The 5 images in that one post were what I saw, in order.
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Old 10-21-2011, 10:13 PM
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If that is indeed the one from the Zip, somebody better let the Rockbox guys know.....
They already do See line 113.

http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/tr...&pathrev=30411

/* Initialises lcd type 0 * This appears to be a Visionox M00230 OLED display controlled by a SEPS114A. */
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Hm. My apologies then, TexasRockbox. If the SanDisk does indeed use the Visionox M00230/M00231 OLED in the Clip Zip, they should be congratulated for locating the absolute worst color OLED on the planet. Great job, SanDisk!
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Hm. My apologies then, TexasRockbox. If the SanDisk does indeed use the Visionox M00230/M00231 OLED in the Clip Zip, they should be congratulated for locating the absolute worst color OLED on the planet. Great job, SanDisk!
These are the guys that brought us the Fuze+ and the View, after all.
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Old 10-22-2011, 01:11 PM
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Again, it's not an AMOLED.

SanDisk could improve things by changing the firmware to calibrate the display.
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Again, it's not an AMOLED.
Yes, perhaps BMOLED? (I'll give you three guesses what the "BM" stands for. )
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The Clip Zip is much lighter than the Clip+.


No SD cards in the slots.

0.4 grams is 0.014 ounces, for those that use that unit.
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like night and day
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Don't break that scale!!!!
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