Hip-Hop/Rap Fans [May include foul language, Be warned]

[suprman2020]

Originally Posted by Spk282

This is just the first site I came across but if you look around you will find many like it... It's an interesting read none the less.

http://www.daveyd.com/commentaryishiphopdead.html

I don't think hip-hop was ever dead. It was more mainstream stuff that was getting stale. With the rise of internet, underground hip-hop has grown and created an audience for themselves. There were always artists like Little Brother, Elzhi, Murs, and others that were making good music. Unfortunately what I consider good music isn't shared by the tweens and teens that most of mainstream hip-hop radio targets. Record companies see an artist become successful with some gimmick and they try to reproduce that success resulting in a market where all the products are similar or damn near the same.

[CrowdAds]

[Adub]

Yep 80% of what i listen to Hip-hop wise comes from independent labels where the artists maintain control of their music, thank god for the internet and the artists/independent labels finding the means through private investors for distribution. When on an independent label as an artist you generally sink a lot of your own money into distribution sadly, but it's just like being your own boss in any industry.

[suprman2020]

Since this is a hip-hop thread, I want to see you guy's top 10 list of greatest rappers ever. Gotta get some food right now so I'll post mine later.

[Spk282]

I'm done arguing my opinion, I don't think either of us will change sides Adub

The only thing that really matters in the end is that you love and appreciate the music you listen to.

[Spk282]

Originally Posted by suprman2020

I don't think hip-hop was ever dead. It was more mainstream stuff that was getting stale. With the rise of internet, underground hip-hop has grown and created an audience for themselves. There were always artists like Little Brother, Elzhi, Murs, and others that were making good music.

I agree

[Spk282]

Not sure about Top 10 all time

Certainly feel these artist should be on the list though...

Atmosphere
Murs
Lupe Fiasco (Still waiting for "Lasers" Album)
Talib Kweli

so many other artists I want to add to this list it would end up being much longer then top 10

[suprman2020]

^^^^ I can tell you listen to a lot of underground. What do you think of Jay Electronica and J. Cole?

[Spk282]

I enjoy Jay Electronica, haven't heard J Cole I'll have to check him out.

[Adub]

Originally Posted by Spk282

I'm done arguing my opinion, I don't think either of us will change sides Adub

We aren't arguing opinions, i was arguing about terminology that is standard in the Hip-hop world that is all, i never once argued about opinion. Agree to disagree i guess.

Originally Posted by Spk282

The only thing that really matters in the end is that you love and appreciate the music you listen to.

I agree.

For top 10 favorites rappers i couldn't narrow it down any more lol:

Big L
Big Pun
Black Thought
Canibus
Del the funky homosapien
Ghostface Killah
GZA
Vinnie Paz
KRS One
MF Doom
Mos Def
Nas
Notorious B.I.G
One Be Lo
Pharoahe Monch
Raekwon
RZA
Senim Silla

Originally Posted by Spk282

Not sure about Top 10 all time

Certainly feel these artist should be on the list though...

Atmosphere
Murs
Lupe Fiasco (Still waiting for "Lasers" Album)
Talib Kweli

so many other artists I want to add to this list it would end up being much longer then top 10

Slug is the MC of Atmosphere btw.

[suprman2020]

Never of heard Senim Silla. He got anything worth checking out?

[Adub]

Senim Silla and One Be Lo are the duo Binary Star, definitely if you haven't heard Masters of the Universe by them you need it, it's one of my top10 all time Hip-hop records and generally known as a gem of the underground scene from the late 90s early 2000.

Senim Silla also has a solo album called The Name The Motto The Outcome which is also fantastic.

[suprman2020]

Originally Posted by Adub

Senim Silla and One Be Lo are the duo Binary Star, definitely if you haven't heard Masters of the Universe by them you need it, it's one of my top10 all time Hip-hop records and generally known as a gem of the underground scene from the late 90s early 2000.

Senim Silla also has a solo album called The Name The Motto The Outcome which is also fantastic.

Props I gotta check that out sometime.



I was listening to It Was Written this morning and I realized how underrated a producer Havoc is.

[Adub]

Definitely! Havok was one of the top5 producers in the 90s for me, you would be surprised at how many of the best albums of the 90s he had a hand in producing beats for. His style was always great for lyrically excellent MCs imo because they were so simple but effective and brought the lyrics out instead of drowning them out like a lot of producers seem to do.

Also Mobb Deep is one of my favorite groups/duos from the 90s, Prodigy and Havok we're excellent story tellers and all their albums we're fantastic. Havok made a lot of the beats and did a lot of the production on their Mobb Deep albums.

[panzerchaos47]

During the late 90s I really had tons of interest on Tupac Shakur than anyone else before I discovered other genre like metal and punk/oi. It feels that his lyrics you can compare it 80s underground punk/oi and certain thrash metal bands. Police, corruptions, and against government type of thing. lol I ended liking music that was odd to the mainstream after Tupac.

Yeah I'm not really a hip hop/rap fan but I treat any type of music equal. Of course I defended hip hop on boards 1st gen Xbox forums when I see Rap vs [insert genre] then few years later it was metal then skinheads culture and oi on youtube.

[suprman2020]

Originally Posted by Adub

Definitely! Havok was one of the top5 producers in the 90s for me, you would be surprised at how many of the best albums of the 90s he had a hand in producing beats for. His style was always great for lyrically excellent MCs imo because they were so simple but effective and brought the lyrics out instead of drowning them out like a lot of producers seem to do.

Also Mobb Deep is one of my favorite groups/duos from the 90s, Prodigy and Havok we're excellent story tellers and all their albums we're fantastic. Havok made a lot of the beats and did a lot of the production on their Mobb Deep albums.

Good to see another Mobb Deep fan. Its unfortunate how bad Prodigy fell off though. Signing with G-Unit was a horrible decision.

[suprman2020]

Originally Posted by panzerchaos47

During the late 90s I really had tons of interest on Tupac Shakur than anyone else before I discovered other genre like metal and punk/oi. It feels that his lyrics you can compare it 80s underground punk/oi and certain thrash metal bands. Police, corruptions, and against government type of thing. lol I ended liking music that was odd to the mainstream after Tupac.

Yeah I'm not really a hip hop/rap fan but I treat any type of music equal. Of course I defended hip hop on boards 1st gen Xbox forums when I see Rap vs [insert genre] then few years later it was metal then skinheads culture and oi on youtube.

The thing I always appreciated about Tupac was that even though he wasn't all that great technically (rhyming Hennessy and Enemies in every song), he put great emotion into his music.

[suprman2020]

Originally Posted by Adub

Definitely! Havok was one of the top5 producers in the 90s for me, you would be surprised at how many of the best albums of the 90s he had a hand in producing beats for. His style was always great for lyrically excellent MCs imo because they were so simple but effective and brought the lyrics out instead of drowning them out like a lot of producers seem to do.

Also Mobb Deep is one of my favorite groups/duos from the 90s, Prodigy and Havok we're excellent story tellers and all their albums we're fantastic. Havok made a lot of the beats and did a lot of the production on their Mobb Deep albums.

Just sent you a friend request on last.fm

[panzerchaos47]

I forgot to add you should check out Dan Bull isn't very known because he doesn't use music label companies to promote his music. He doesn't mind that you download it for free because he gives option for that.
http://www.youtube.com/user/douglby

[Adub]

Originally Posted by panzerchaos47

During the late 90s I really had tons of interest on Tupac Shakur than anyone else before I discovered other genre like metal and punk/oi. It feels that his lyrics you can compare it 80s underground punk/oi and certain thrash metal bands. Police, corruptions, and against government type of thing. lol I ended liking music that was odd to the mainstream after Tupac.

I've never been much of a Tupac fan, i respect him for his impact but i never got into his music. That said i love Dear Mama, it's fantastic and Tupac is highly listenable story teller at times.

Tupac made himself out to be a real life thug and whatever which really turned me off his music, i never was a fan of NWA either or any gansta rap, it's all so shallow.

Biggie was different he was a story teller who didn't insert himself into being a ganster/thug he just wrote about it, i guess when it was all biggie vs pac i was on the biggie side of the fence.

Originally Posted by suprman2020

The thing I always appreciated about Tupac was that even though he wasn't all that great technically (rhyming Hennessy and Enemies in every song), he put great emotion into his music.

Yeah definitely you can feel the emotion in a lot of his music, and i think that is the reason i like Dear Mama so much.

Originally Posted by suprman2020

Good to see another Mobb Deep fan. Its unfortunate how bad Prodigy fell off though. Signing with G-Unit was a horrible decision.

Yeah it definitely was a mistake they even got dropped from the label because Havok and 50 cent didn't agree about production. Why a lesser talented and experienced producer and rapper like 50 cent would argue or disagree with Havok is beyond me.

[Adub]

Thank the lord for ?uestlove.

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