Ummm....please don't tell me THIS is the Spring Update?? (Zune 4.5)

[pur]

Originally Posted by Cruleworld

I assure you they read the forums, they can't possibly respond to every post though. We are one of one or 2 forums that have a person from Microsoft posting.

No, I don't expect them too. But I have never seen a microsoft employee post on those forums ever since I got my first zune.

[CrowdAds]

[Re-Vision]

Originally Posted by lem7

Ahha yeah Ive seen those forums and have participate in it, but it doesn't matter if every single person is hating on the Zune HD, how much you want to bet MSFT will ignore us? Their getting really good at it...

Which is why i have long Thought about my Support for Microsoft, if they keep lagging like they do now, i won't be buying their Products, and if their is no new Zune HD this year I'm damn sure i will not buy another MS product ever again. I can't wait for them to catch up to Apple's Ipod like this, life moves too fast, Microsoft is still slow and a follower, yep they're not leading.


I'm Already saving up some Money, i like what Apple did with Iphone, Ipod Touch, Ipad, that's much more integrated experience than what MS has to offer now.

I'll probably get a Macbook and an Ipad this fall, just can't resist anymore i have had enough. And i can't go around fixing my friends PC in an effort to convince my Friends not to Buy a Mac when their PC crashes or gets a virus.

In a Time When Everyone is Grilling Microsoft, from losing Patent lawsuits to dwindling Windows Mobile marketshare to Internet Explore EU Drama, Apple is riding the Free Wave of Brand Endorsement. Basically MS is getting F'd Anally.

They Will Care About Their Customers When Their Core Business Starts Hurting, Which appears to be underway.

My local Newspaper calls Apple Ipad release a Revolutionary New Product, that will change the game, Suck on That Microsoft. yeah get ready to be pwnd again at a game where you had the clear lead.

Hell People Bing is getting more Updates than this Suck Ass Zune.

[DeweyTime]

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

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In a Time When Everyone is Grilling Microsoft, from losing Patent lawsuits to dwindling Windows Mobile marketshare to Internet Explore EU Drama, Apple is riding the Free Wave of Brand Endorsement. Basically MS is getting F'd Anally.

They Will Care About Their Customers When Their Core Business Starts Hurting, Which appears to be underway.

My local Newspaper calls Apple Ipad release a Revolutionary New Product, that will change the game, Suck on That Microsoft. yeah get ready to be pwnd again at a game where you had the clear lead.

Hell People Bing is getting more Updates than this Suck Ass Zune.

There is a lot of "fail" in that post.

Nothing like regurgitating MacBoy Speak; no matter how much it's repeated, it doesn't make it true.

And apparently your local newspaper wouldn't know revolutionary if John Adams himself came by and threw a musket at it.

[weedalin]

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

Which is why i have long Thought about my Support for Microsoft, if they keep lagging like they do now, i won't be buying their Products, and if their is no new Zune HD this year I'm damn sure i will not buy another MS product ever again. I can't wait for them to catch up to Apple's Ipod like this, life moves too fast, Microsoft is still slow and a follower, yep they're not leading.

Who's lagging? The one willing to dare to use a distinctly unique UI? Or the one who rehashed the same device, but in a larger size?

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

I'm Already saving up some Money, i like what Apple did with Iphone, Ipod Touch, Ipad, that's much more integrated experience than what MS has to offer now.

Pfft. If you want integrated, get a webOS device.

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

I'll probably get a Macbook and an Ipad this fall, just can't resist anymore i have had enough. And i can't go around fixing my friends PC in an effort to convince my Friends not to Buy a Mac when their PC crashes or gets a virus.

Might I remind you that OSX is JUST as susceptibe to viruses as PC's are? OSX crashes as well!
If you want proof, just Topeka "Beach ball loading problem OSX" or "compatibility issues with Snow Leopard."

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

In a Time When Everyone is Grilling Microsoft, from losing Patent lawsuits to dwindling Windows Mobile marketshare to Internet Explore EU Drama, Apple is riding the Free Wave of Brand Endorsement. Basically MS is getting F'd Anally.

What patent lawsuits did they exactly lose? Please, some links?
Look, if you would provide some proof to these allegations, I would have no problem with your claims. However, the lack of links to back up these sentiments is frankly quite disturbing . . .

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

They Will Care About Their Customers When Their Core Business Starts Hurting, Which appears to be underway.

You think Apple cares about their customers?
http://www.customerthink.com/blog/wh...n_to_customers

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

My local Newspaper calls Apple Ipad release a Revolutionary New Product, that will change the game, Suck on That Microsoft. yeah get ready to be pwnd again at a game where you had the clear lead.

Hell People Bing is getting more Updates than this Suck Ass Zune.

Question: How can a rehash of a device, but in larger dimensions, truly be considered 'revolutionary' or 'magical'? I'd have to say Microsoft's Courier looks to be the innovative/magical device this time 'round.
You realize Mobile OS X receives updates on pretty much the same basis?
The only ones who actually update (nearly) every month are Palm and Google.

[ItsLasher]

Originally Posted by DeweyTime

There is a lot of "fail" in that post.

Nothing like regurgitating MacBoy Speak; no matter how much it's repeated, it doesn't make it true.

And apparently your local newspaper wouldn't know revolutionary if John Adams himself came by and threw a musket at it.

LMAO!!!!
Never thought I'd see a history lesson in a tech forum.........Congrats!!!

[epithetless]

Originally Posted by syst3m

Anyways right now I just want a cease-fire, its not going anywhere for anyone.

Ditto this.

[lem7]

Originally Posted by weedalin

Who's lagging? The one willing to dare to use a distinctly unique UI? Or the one who rehashed the same device, but in a larger size?



Pfft. If you want integrated, get a webOS device.


Might I remind you that OSX is JUST as susceptibe to viruses as PC's are? OSX crashes as well!
If you want proof, just Topeka "Beach ball loading problem OSX" or "compatibility issues with Snow Leopard."


What patent lawsuits did they exactly lose? Please, some links?
Look, if you would provide some proof to these allegations, I would have no problem with your claims. However, the lack of links to back up these sentiments is frankly quite disturbing . . .


You think Apple cares about their customers?
http://www.customerthink.com/blog/wh...n_to_customers


Question: How can a rehash of a device, but in larger dimensions, truly be considered 'revolutionary' or 'magical'? I'd have to say Microsoft's Courier looks to be the innovative/magical device this time 'round.
You realize Mobile OS X receives updates on pretty much the same basis?
The only ones who actually update (nearly) every month are Palm and Google.

1) MSFT fail with Zune period. No one is going to care for Zune if they don't even have a clue what Zune is... I mean here is a great device and everywhere I go no one seems to know what mp3 player I have, there responce "is that an iPod touch". Zune fails.

2)dude he wants integration from Microsoft not palm's web os...

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4)

5) well Apple doesn't need to listen to their customers, they do what they think well be best for their device. But Microsoft its a different story with Zune, it sucks and will continue to suck unless they listen to customers, get their act together or just lower the price of Zune because it isn't worth that much. Its like Windows 7, Microsoft listened and learned with its customers what they wanted in a OS and they delivered Windows 7.

6)

I think re-vision was over exaggerating with his post so let's just drop it.

[beh]

just make wap2 support ,youtube and i will shut up !!

[Dieabol69]

My two cents: The Zune HD is a corporate driven product, and like all corporations, if the money isn't coming in (selling tons of units), then the support will be very limited. This is where I believe Microsoft is at with the Zune. Yes, we will get some updates here and there, but it won't be mindblowing or significant to satisfy everyone. Its all about seeing how many are selling, then making adjustments accordingly. The marketing of the Zune HD hasn't been very good, so product awareness is a very low, which in turn, equals less sales. Like another poster stated, "It takes money to make money".

[Re-Vision]

Originally Posted by weedalin

Who's lagging? The one willing to dare to use a distinctly unique UI? Or the one who rehashed the same device, but in a larger size?

Lets not go There, its All Numbers game, Microsoft in recent times have been nothing but a Failure, and Yes Measuring Failure with regards to Market Penetration and Sales.

Originally Posted by weedalin

Pfft. If you want integrated, get a webOS device.

Like Lem7 has said in his post, I want Support From Microsoft, not from a Palm Webos POS that has to Use Itunes to Sync {Mega Fail on Palms part} to compete Palm had to use its Competitors Software Program.

Now Don't get me Wrong, I like the Palm Pre, the WebOS, the Hardware Design, one thing that has kept me from Buying a Palm Pre was the Slider issues, my friend had One , he had to replace it twice when he finally gave up and returned the Device, that was with Sprint, I don't know how Palm Pre Plus are doing now, never Bothered to really Read Up on the Forums or Blogs for consumer satisfactions with Palm Pre Plus. However though i do not like Verizons Plans. I'll check out the Blogsphere to see how the Palm Pre Plus is doing, but that still Leaves the Integration Part, Hence Apple is possibly the Way to Go.

Palm Needs to Put Out A Wimax Tablet, Be the First To Revolutionize The Game.

Microsoft Wake The F**K UP

Originally Posted by weedalin

Might I remind you that OSX is JUST as susceptibe to viruses as PC's are? OSX crashes as well!
If you want proof, just Topeka "Beach ball loading problem OSX" or "compatibility issues with Snow Leopard."

No need to Remind me Sir, tell that to Mass Public, who Perceives Apples Mac VS PC ad as Truth Speech.

I have never had my PC crashed, never on XP, never on Vista, never on Windows 7 atleast not yet. But the Friends whose computer i Fix for Free, don't understand why Windows crashes and Macs don't, or it may just be the Jargon.

Originally Posted by weedalin

What patent lawsuits did they exactly lose? Please, some links?
Look, if you would provide some proof to these allegations, I would have no problem with your claims. However, the lack of links to back up these sentiments is frankly quite disturbing . . .

NO FLAMING!! - Mach

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mic...-Court-738746/

That is just the Appeal Case, they lost the Case in The First Round

A Simple Bing Search would've shown you that, Use Bing Microsoft's Decision Engine.

If you still Don't belive the Source than go Bing Search "Microsoft Patent Lawsuit", or Better yet just Microsoft Patent, Bing Will bring you the News to the Front Page for your Convenience.

Originally Posted by weedalin

You think Apple cares about their customers?
http://www.customerthink.com/blog/wh...n_to_customers

Apple cares enough, hence its Mobile Business Reaps Many Rewards.

Originally Posted by weedalin

Question: How can a rehash of a device, but in larger dimensions, truly be considered 'revolutionary' or 'magical'? I'd have to say Microsoft's Courier looks to be the innovative/magical device this time 'round.
You realize Mobile OS X receives updates on pretty much the same basis?
The only ones who actually update (nearly) every month are Palm and Google.

Mobile OS X has the Support of Developers, wheres Such Developer Support on Palm or Android.

Wall Street Journal Won't agree with your Thesis, all thanks to ibooks.

[lem7]

Originally Posted by ItsLasher

Ok so without bashing, flaming, being rude or anything like that what are 5 specific things you'd like to see in an update. Please be very specific.

1)Youtube: my#1 request, i cant use the computers on schooldays so i cant watch youtube having youtube on zHD i can see myself using that app everyday for hours

2)Cover flow: Like the one found in Marketplace, looks very very nice... [Marketplace>Music>New Releases]

3)Allow watching videos on both sides. Right now it only allows one side to view videos

4)Accerometer lock on browser: I hate when the screen shifts to a different side because of the accerometer.

5)Multi-Viewer [PDF,Word/txt, powerpoint, etc.] This will be very usefull

[ItsLasher]

Originally Posted by lem7

1)Youtube: my#1 request, i cant use the computers on schooldays so i cant watch youtube having youtube on zHD i can see myself using that app everyday for hours

2)Cover flow: Like the one found in Marketplace, looks very very nice... [Marketplace>Music>New Releases]

3)Allow watching videos on both sides. Right now it only allows one side to view videos

4)Accerometer lock on browser: I hate when the screen shifts to a different side because of the accerometer.

5)Multi-Viewer [PDF,Word/txt, powerpoint, etc.] This will be very usefull

Great post!!
Not trying to sound condescending or anything but it's posts like this that get noticed for future updates and gets things done. Nice one.

I don't understand #3........Are you talking when tilted to watch either way?

[lem7]

Originally Posted by ItsLasher

Great post!!
Not trying to sound condescending or anything but it's posts like this that get noticed for future updates and gets things done. Nice one.

I don't understand #3........Are you talking when tilted to watch either way?

, yeah, i want the accerometer to be activated when watching movies because right now its locked to one side.

[ItsLasher]

Originally Posted by lem7

, yeah, i want the accerometer to be activated when watching movies because right now its locked to one side.

Gotcha.
I also like #5 with the PDF\TXT..Thats become a must have.

[Re-Vision]

Originally Posted by Dieabol69

My two cents: The Zune HD is a corporate driven product, and like all corporations, if the money isn't coming in (selling tons of units), then the support will be very limited. This is where I believe Microsoft is at with the Zune. Yes, we will get some updates here and there, but it won't be mindblowing or significant to satisfy everyone. Its all about seeing how many are selling, then making adjustments accordingly. The marketing of the Zune HD hasn't been very good, so product awareness is a very low, which in turn, equals less sales. Like another poster stated, "It takes money to make money".

+1

Its very true that the Zune is a Corporate Driven Product like any other Product in the Tech Biz is.

Well you know People would've been less Critical If this was the Support coming from a Smaller, a less Capitalized Firm, but this kinda BS comes from Software Giant Microsoft, it's Just Not Acceptable.

Hopefully MS will Pile up Enough Fails in Mobile Space, from which point it will have to Rethink its Strategy, Cant Wait to see Another Round of Layoffs at Microsoft.

[ZuneHD]

Who's lagging? The one willing to dare to use a distinctly unique UI? Or the one who rehashed the same device, but in a larger size?

Distinctly different? It is the same concept as the original Zune. By lagging he means how Microsoft is handling the Zune HD. We keep getting mixed reports on what it was meant to be and it has very minimal advertising. If Microsoft really wanted to push this product they could have done MANY things to get it out there.

I hate when people say the iPad is just a bigger iPod Touch. Do you realize the importance of a bigger screen? Would you want the 50inch TV or the 15inch TV? Isn't a desktop just a larger laptop? The iPad has had over 500,000 preorders in the U.S. (those can't be all fanboys) and people are still calling it a bigger iPod Touch. That my seem like it at the onset but your are incredibly arrogant to keep rehashing that statement. The software is what will define the device (something Microsoft needs to pickup on with the Zune HD). The PUBLIC just wants easier and better ways to consume media; guess what the iPad does.

If you want proof, just Topeka "Beach ball loading problem OSX" or "compatibility issues with Snow Leopard."

PC nor Mac computers are perfect, but Apples computers are a lot less susceptible to viruses due to the lower percentage of them in the market. They take up only a fraction compared to PC's so hackers don't focus on hacking them since it will not have as profound an affect as on a PC. Mac's also have better code architecture I believe which does give them better protection against viruses.

You think Apple cares about their customers?
http://www.customerthink.com/blog/wh...n_to_customers

I remember every major bug that was discovered in the iPhone was updated almost immediately (think of the SMS bug) so what else do you want them to do? People are already satisfied with their devices so they don't to go out of their way and treat them differently.

Question: How can a rehash of a device, but in larger dimensions, truly be considered 'revolutionary' or 'magical'? I'd have to say Microsoft's Courier looks to be the innovative/magical device this time 'round.
You realize Mobile OS X receives updates on pretty much the same basis?
The only ones who actually update (nearly) every month are Palm and Google.

The videos that have been posted of the Courier have only been concept videos, not the actual product being shown. The concepts do look great, but people want simplicity and something that is familiar. For the hardcore business people the Courier might be great (assuming it functions like it does in the concept video). However, The iPad is easy for a majority of the population to just pick up and use and does what they want it to do. More advanced journaling apps will probably be developed for the iPad (probably) making it harder for Microsoft to push their device which may have very little to no apps (...Zune HD...).

[weedalin]

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

Lets not go There, its All Numbers game, Microsoft in recent times have been nothing but a Failure, and Yes Measuring Failure with regards to Market Penetration and Sales.

You're changing the subject. Don't avoid the question, we were not talking about numbers/monetary gain. You initially were referring to development/innovation. So which is it?

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

Like Lem7 has said in his post, I want Support From Microsoft, not from a Palm Webos POS that has to Use Itunes to Sync {Mega Fail on Palms part} to compete Palm had to use its Competitors Software Program.

That's not what you said. YOU said that you wanted an integrated system. webOS happily provides that.

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

Now Don't get me Wrong, I like the Palm Pre, the WebOS, the Hardware Design, one thing that has kept me from Buying a Palm Pre was the Slider issues, my friend had One , he had to replace it twice when he finally gave up and returned the Device, that was with Sprint, I don't know how Palm Pre Plus are doing now, never Bothered to really Read Up on the Forums or Blogs for consumer satisfactions with Palm Pre Plus. However though i do not like Verizons Plans. I'll check out the Blogsphere to see how the Palm Pre Plus is doing, but that still Leaves the Integration Part, Hence Apple is possibly the Way to Go.
[SIZE=4]
Palm Needs to Put Out A Wimax Tablet, Be the First To Revolutionize The Game.

The iTunes thing was a bit of a joke, if you haven't realized.
The Pre/Pixi (Plus) doesn't need a syncing program on a computer (apart from WOSQI, the HomeBrew sync program), since everything is backed up in the cloud via Palm Profile.
Hardware problems are by and large rare now, I'd have to say.
And at least we agree one thing: Verizon's plans are quite bullshit, pardon my French.

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

No need to Remind me Sir, tell that to Mass Public, who Perceives Apples Mac VS PC ad as Truth Speech.

I have never had my PC crashed, never on XP, never on Vista, never on Windows 7 atleast not yet. But the Friends whose computer i Fix for Free, don't understand why Windows crashes and Macs don't, or it may just be the Jargon.

We weren't talking about public perception. I thought we were talking about the actual truth?
Look, I hate to make assumptions here, but most likely your friends don't know how to manage Windows (I know, I know, it shouldn't have to be managed, but that's the sad truth) and that's why they get crashes.

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mic...-Court-738746/

That is just the Appeal Case, they lost the Case in The First Round

A Simple Bing Search would've shown you that, Use Bing Microsoft's Decision Engine.

If you still Don't belive the Source than go Bing Search "Microsoft Patent Lawsuit", or Better yet just Microsoft Patent, Bing Will bring you the News to the Front Page for your Convenience.

Ok. So they lost the ability to sell Word '07 and '03. And there was some other patent they lost in 2005. Hardly something unique. You were implying that they were losing lawsuits left and right; obviously, that isn't the case.

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

Apple cares enough, hence its Mobile Business Reaps Many Rewards.

There is a huge difference between success and caring about your customers.
If Apple truly did care about consumers, why not provide updates for free (they can certainly afford it)?
Why not make iTunes on Windows extremely light and not heavy on the CPU usage/RAM?
Look, there are plenty more examples I could provide.

Originally Posted by Re-Vision

Mobile OS X has the Support of Developers, wheres Such Developer Support on Palm or Android.

Wall Street Journal Won't agree with your Thesis, all thanks to ibooks.

"Such developer support on Palm or Android . . ." What? You didn't finish your sentence.
But to counter the obvious point you were trying to make,
have you heard of the HomeBrew community of webOS?
I suggest going to precentral.net and checking it out. It's robust and very helpful, just like a Linux community typically is.
I'm not even going to respond to the Android jab. That assertion is so false I don't think it needs clarifying.

Originally Posted by Iem7

1)Youtube: my#1 request, i cant use the computers on schooldays so i cant watch youtube having youtube on zHD i can see myself using that app everyday for hours

Can't argue with that. I would like to see it too.

Originally Posted by Iem7

2)Cover flow: Like the one found in Marketplace, looks very very nice... [Marketplace>Music>New Releases]

? Ahh, I see what you're talking about now.
YES, that would be a nice touch to the UI. Perhaps landscape mode in the music would activate an album view of some sort?

Originally Posted by Iem7

3)Allow watching videos on both sides. Right now it only allows one side to view videos

I don't particularly care about this feature, so I can't comment on it.

Originally Posted by Iem7

4)Accerometer lock on browser: I hate when the screen shifts to a different side because of the accerometer.

It can get a bit annoying, I must say, since the Zune HD's accelerometer is so damn good (best on the market--only the webOS devices have a comparable accelerometer).

Originally Posted by Iem7

5)Multi-Viewer [PDF,Word/txt, powerpoint, etc.] This will be very usefull

If the Zune HD were a smartphone/PDA . . .
I don't mean to offend, but the main people who would benefit from a doc viewer would be business users.

Extremely sorry for the really long post. >.<

[askareem24]

PDF word viewer would be perfect especially for those who take classes online.. a lot of teachers put out word documents as notes and i think it saves so much time because when you're in class, you could follow the notes straight from the zune hd without having to write a single note down. this appeals to a lot of people. many of us will be attending universities and colleges very soon and i think this is a perfect feature to have

i dont think you can say this only appeals to the minority.

[weedalin]

Originally Posted by askareem24

PDF word viewer would be perfect especially for those who take classes online.. a lot of teachers put out word documents as notes and i think it saves so much time because when you're in class, you could follow the notes straight from the zune hd without having to write a single note down. this appeals to a lot of people. many of us will be attending universities and colleges very soon and i think this is a perfect feature to have

i dont think you can say this only appeals to the minority.

So . . . you're saying that the majority of college students only have a Zune HD to take notes on?
How ridiculous is that?

[askareem24]

Originally Posted by weedalin

So . . . you're saying that the majority of college students only have a Zune HD to take notes on?
How ridiculous is that?

youre descrediting my wants for the device. i'm not saying that every college student will want to take notes on the zune hd, but at least they can READ the notes off the zune hd. not TAKE notes.