Lossless on the X?

[thomf]

Hey,
How can I get lossless audio on my X walkman? I tried lossless wav and wma but when trying to play them the player said they weren't supported. So how can I get it to work?

thanks in advance

[Numer0bis85]

Unfortunately, the sony walkman x does not support wma lossless or flac or any other lossless codec except plain pcm wave

[thomf]

Yeah, I knew it didn't have flac, and I said I tried wma, but it didnt' work. But I also already tried pcm wave but it didn't work. When I transferred it using the media manager, it automatically converted it to an mp3, and when I tried dragging and dropping in windows explorer, the Walkman couldn't read the file, it told me it was an unsupported file format. Is there a specific way I need to encode the wave file for it to work?

[a_tumiwa]

sony x support loseless, but for japanese version only, it is ATRAC only

[numberwriter]

Wave files do work, make sure you are encoding at 16 bit, 44.1 khz

[thomf]

Oh, 16 bit, haha I didn't even think of that. Thanks man.

[Marvin the Martian]

Originally Posted by thomf

Oh, 16 bit, haha I didn't even think of that. Thanks man.

Why would you waste the space for WAV files? If you use a good encoder, can you really tell the difference?

[thomf]

I'm not doing my whole library, only like an album or two, and if I'm ever short on space, I'll just revert them, but for now I still have 12 gigs of free space, so I'm using it.

I can hear a little difference, though maybe its just psychological..

[ultrauber]

ABX is where it's at. If you pass an ABX test, it's actually really reassuring - yesterday I passed 128k mp3 vs wav with success. Suddenly, mp3 sound waaay worse. Anyways, I think you should try it on yourself, you might save space/money/time if you find out that you can't tell the difference between wav and vbr v2.

[fender]

So there's not even a single way to play flac file? I guess I have to pass this player because my library has thousands of flacs..

[a_tumiwa]

Sony Players cannot play FLAC and maybe never.
you can convert it to LAME mp3 320kbps or wav

[h1a8]

The OP wants gapless is the reason why he chooses wav (not because of SQ). I would do the same for gapless tracks. I'd rather use larger wav files and have gapless then to use lame vbr and not have gapless.

But fortunately the sony nwz-545 does gapless (almost perfect, but better than nothing) with mp3.

[Marvin the Martian]

Originally Posted by h1a8

The OP wants gapless is the reason why he chooses wav (not because of SQ). I would do the same for gapless tracks. I'd rather use larger wav files and have gapless then to use lame vbr and not have gapless.

But fortunately the sony nwz-545 does gapless (almost perfect, but better than nothing) with mp3.

You've mentioned this before, and I haven't ever tested it for myself.....maybe tomorrow I will, since I have the day off.

[akvasu]

I thought 16 bit 44khz would be lower quality -- i am a bit of a noob here so can u guys clarify?

[Elandal]

For who intend to use WAV files (as i do) here a small suggestion...
Starting from a lossless library (i use FLAC), i then use MediaMonkey to sync the X with an "on the fly" conversion to WAV. The result, other than perfect lossless quality (placebo? ) and gapless, are also tracks perfectly tagged and with album art. MM seems the only program that works really well in this case.

[Enigmatic]

Originally Posted by akvasu

I thought 16 bit 44khz would be lower quality -- i am a bit of a noob here so can u guys clarify?

-V3 is probably good enough for most listeners: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index....uiet_listening.

[meetooman]

Originally Posted by Elandal

The result, other than perfect lossless quality (placebo? ) and gapless, are also tracks perfectly tagged and with album art.

True lossless is no placebo. The only debate is whether it is worth. What kind of wave file tagging work with your player (id3 v.?) ?

[Elandal]

As we know WAV files can't be tagged (some program do it anyway but is not standard) so i think that this works thanks to the MTP protocol (i love it in this case). Album art for example is sended and stored in a file with a ".alb" extension. The important is the program with which you sync and if it use well the protocol, as obviously the portable player. Tried in MSC/UMS mode and you see nothing.
If it is worth? For me yes since the audio quality of the X, and on my 16 GB i have 20 albums which are enough.

[meetooman]

So you must be the only other person with me who is a MTP fan on this forum...
What you tell us is very interesting. I am programming a MTP transfer tool which is taking artists informations into the file tags. I never tried to send an "empty" file with distinct "tag infos". I got to see this result...

20 albums on your player? I have put 38 CD in aac/mp3 on my 8GB Sony to listen on march this year. Now on april the 1st, I still have 16 left to listen on this selection... So if you don't seek ways to fill a device with your entire music collection and have enough flash memory space for your listening needs, using wave files makes sense.

[Elandal]

Originally Posted by meetooman

So you must be the only other person with me who is a MTP fan on this forum...

In reality i'm not a fan of MTP or other proprietary protocols (iPod/Zune) but i like how in this case works.

So if you don't seek ways to fill a device with your entire music collection

For that i wait the first 1 TB portable player but i think that at that time my library will be of 2 TB...