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[ClieOS]

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[dfkt]

Gotta love specs like "MP3 (up to 448Kbps)" - only in China, or maybe they mean "MP7"...

Does it have any tactile buttons, or only (what I assume to be) a power/hold switch on top?

[ClieOS]

Originally Posted by dfkt

Gotta love specs like "MP3 (up to 448Kbps)" - only in China, or maybe they mean "MP7"...

Does it have any tactile buttons, or only (what I assume to be) a power/hold switch on top?

That actually makes me wonder if you can encode mp3 up to 448kbps

Yes, there is just one (power/hold) switch, unless you are counting the reset hole as well.

[dfkt]

The MP3 standard goes only up to 320k - you can't have higher bitrate MP3s, there's no encoder or decoder that would support it. That's why I find it as silly as those nonsensical "MP6, MP7, MP8" exaggerations you find on other Chinese players. Instead of making it sound "more awesome" those lies only make it sound more cheap and tacky. Guess there's a cultural difference there which I don't comprehend in its entirety...

Wow, that's horrible, not even buttons for volume, or play/pause. Makes the player kind of useless for audio on the go.

[yuki]

I honestly hate Chinese pmp's , not to say a player made in china but engineered in another place, but ones made and engineered in china. These companies shamelessly rip off other player, make it cheap and crappy, slap on mp9000 player and sell it. I tell people stay far away from players like these for the former reasons, not to mention the questionable labor and environmental standards that probably went into the product being so cheap. (poor little li go paid 2 grains of rice to program the firmware and lost 3 toes becuase of frost bite in the non heated building in which it was made)

Also a great deal of spam that is on our boards comes from companies such as the one you featured...

btw i am part Chinese , i don't agree with how the mainland people are exploited and how these sickeningly awful companies just sprout up to flood the market with crap and hurt the people that work for them

[ClieOS]

Originally Posted by dfkt

The MP3 standard goes only up to 320k - you can't have higher bitrate MP3s, there's no encoder or decoder that would support it. That's why I find it as silly as those nonsensical "MP6, MP7, MP8" exaggerations you find on other Chinese players. Instead of making it sound "more awesome" those lies only make it sound more cheap and tacky. Guess there's a cultural difference there which I don't comprehend in its entirety...

Wow, that's horrible, not even buttons for volume, or play/pause. Makes the player kind of useless for audio on the go.

Not much sense in the naming to Western culture perhaps, but very much 'localized' and popular to the Chinese. You can actually see the same trend in other Eastern countries as well. Korean and Japanese both have their 'little things' that don't comply to the Western standard.

The player could be a bit difficult from people on-the-run or like to navigate-in-blind, but I find it fine for moving around. Not as convenient as dedicated buttons, but like many things that use touch screen these day - you get some, you lose some.

Originally Posted by yuki

btw i am part Chinese , i don't agree with how the mainland people are exploited and how these sickeningly awful companies just sprout up to flood the market with crap and hurt the people that work for them

I am full Chinese (oversea 2nd generation nonetheless). While I can understand your POV, it would be better not to slam general statement / conclusion to every company that ever do their business in China and label them as evil, won't you say so? Who to say big company that have their own fancy factory oversea never exploit locals? While I agree there are heartless businessman out there who will do everything for money, it is not a reason to be unfair to those who do carrying out legit business practice.

[EDIT] I read something on wiki which stated you can go over 320kbps on mp3 (non-standard bitrate goes up to 640Kbps), but ISO only requires up to 320Kbps for decoder.

[a_tumiwa]

nice review,
but for some personal reason, i don`t like this brand...
i emailed them and no response....

do u find any bug?? (freeze, no fully support flac, etc)

[no9]

The reason China's MP3-MP8 players get generalized and slammed universally is because they are junk to the 98 percentile. ClieOS I know you have owned/used alot of players that are from quality brand names. How can you even compare these fly by nite, WIN some, Lose some companies to major brands? They seldom, almost never update firmware, they use 2nd-3rd rate materiels, and the players look like they were designed by high school students from the 80's that watched to many Jetsons episodes. Not trying to slam you personally, but I have never had or heard of a chinese offbrand player purchase that had a happy ending. "Chineses products get a bad rap" The reason they get slammed is 98% of them are just garbage and have a 75% epic fail rate."It's a good player for what I paid for it" Cheap junk is always a bad play. Usually when you buy cheap junk for 1/3 the price because its cheap, you end up with broken cheap junk. I would pay double for an Ipod and use Itunes before I would use a free Chinese MP5 player. Sorry this sounds so harsh but protecting people from shotty products is one of the duties I take to heart.

[ClieOS]

Originally Posted by no9

The reason China's MP3-MP8 players get generalized and slammed universally is because they are junk to the 98 percentile... I would pay double for an Ipod and use Itunes before I would use a free Chinese MP5 player. Sorry this sounds so harsh but protecting people from shotty products is one of the duties I take to heart.

Yes, you are right. There are tons and tons of junk Chinese made PMPs out there, but I don't find it necessary to ignore the actually decent 2%.

I had been quite a happy iriver user for a while (and led me to become mod of the two iriver forums) and saw its downfall (more and more fancy designed PMP with subpar quality). I am a current Sansa Fuze user (great sounding player but has its own problem on battery life and rather useless video). I also just pick up an iPod Nano 4 a few months ago (and consider I start using DAP since 1999, I'll say I held off pretty well), which of course has problem of its own (overpriced + iTune!!!). Out of the three, iriver has its factory in China (and used to use Chinese OEM even before the brand started), Sansa Fuze is made-in-China, while iPod's (well, so are all the iPhone's) hardware is developed by a Taiwanese company that has most of its factories and business in China. I know there are too many junk manufacturers in China, and I do dislike junk product as much as the next guy - but if I find something decent enough, I won't dismiss it just because it is from China.

I know there is a sense to uphold this forum's excellency and its dedication to fight for the best of the DAPs against the invasion of the fruit company. Perhaps in a way this thread shouldn't have posted here from the beginning. On that note, I am logging off for the last time. I'll see you guys and gals on other places. Cheer.

[WalkGood]

Originally Posted by ClieOS

... ... ... On that note, I am logging off for the last time. I'll see you guys and gals on other places. Cheer.

Did I miss read something o_O … I for one am disappointed to see you throw in the towel and go as I do believe that your intentions are more informational rather than pushing any specific products.

[The DarkSide]

I do hope he/she comes back, as we all know no bad intentions were meant by any here on ABI.

[musichound]

I am going to try to get ClieOS to come back, because he is a fantastic member in other forums I know. I guess he had a sensitive moment, but for the most part he provides excellent advice for the community. I also agree that there are some exceptions to the Chinese players, but to make matters clear, the iRiver players are a Korean brand that gets manufactured in China, much like the Apple iPod is an American brand that gets manufactured in China.

[musichound]

I am closing this thread because the leading post has been deleted. If this changes, it will be opened again.