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Old 02-26-2007, 02:09 PM
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ok, so it wasn't too happy with me 'forcing' it all in there, it'd boot into safe mode again periodically, too much strain on the flex cable. So I took it out, and scraped down the backing on the flex cable so I'd get more insertion into the connector, then I abandoned the stock 'bumpers' all together and created my own. It's all running smoothe now.
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Old 02-26-2007, 03:57 PM
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Thats Fantastic... Sounds to me like the "ya, Buts" are small and easily overcome. Can you provide details on the model number if its other then the ST 18 and where you obtained the drive from... Also a few pictures of your "Mods" so we can duplicate your success. I assume you were able to get the case buttoned up with out any problems

Thanks again for the information
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:40 AM
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I can provide some info, not sure about pictures though. I work in the computer products market and I received the drives from my local Seagate rep. I'm not sure where to purchase the drive outright but someone will figure it out.

Drive: Seagate ST18.1, PN 9CR712-902

Bumpers: I used pieces of a squishy thermal pad for the bumpers. I'm not sure how exactly to describe this stuff. It's like an 1/8 inch thick layer of 'gum' on top of a piece of fabric. the 'gum' can be squished or pulled off entirely while the fabric holds it all together. I'll try to get a product and part number for this stuff, but I'm sure there are other good ways.
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Old 02-27-2007, 04:28 PM
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I checked that part number on the web and nothing pulled up... I know its a pain, but could you post a scan of the drive label. If I can get my hands on one I'll do a picture tutorial on how to install it.
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Old 03-02-2007, 06:43 PM
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would seagate be more reliable than the toshiba drives creative uses?
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:59 AM
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A very good question... I think they both have a good track record. Would like to find out if I could locate the drive that was used by bbohica, but that part number doesn't pull up on any sites that sell Seagate. The 18 Series is a collection of "Portable" drives, but I can't tell which one was used.
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Old 03-03-2007, 03:03 AM
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Hey! What about and instruction guide with pictures and stuff??? Big, big PLEASE!!!
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:18 AM
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Hey everyone, new here....

Have my ZVM:60 for 2 months now, I'm really thrilled with it.
Great work bbohica! You were a successful pioneer in this HD upgrade process.

Can we deduct a conclusion from you experience? That the ZVM firmware does NOT have a HD brand or size limit in it?

Because if that is so, then there are already 100 (Toshiba at 4200rpm) and 120 GB (Seagate, I think) at 1.8'' drives out there that would fit perfectly in the ZVM, especially the 60GB model that already has a 8mm height HD.

So has anyone else tried this and experienced any kind of firmware limit on the HD?
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:23 AM
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Toshiba & Seagate models numbers?
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:34 AM
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bbohica, mind giving detailed instructions and pictures on how to do this?
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:56 PM
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i recently tried to upgrade HD in my ye ol 30 gig zen:m and found that you need to look at the model number of your old hard drive before you venture in to getting the bigger when i got the new on i found that it was the model for the i pod being there HD connectors are different than the zen so look at your Zen HD and notice whether is it a GAH or a GAL then work from there other wise you'll be wasting money on reshipping and restock fees . but i believe the 80gig Toshiba should work on the zen.
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Old 03-11-2007, 08:46 PM
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Keep us updated, I'm very interested in how much space you can cram into the 30GB, and I'd surely be a paying customer if I could ship it out to bbohica or someone else for an upgrade.
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:15 PM
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With the price of a hard drive, wouldnt it be cheaper to sell your thirty and us the money for the new drive with the sold Zen and buy a 60.
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:33 PM
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the thing is, the 30 is thick enough. and also, what if somebody wants more than 60gb?
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:57 PM
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I would be happy to provide documentation and pictures showing the whole process. The problem is that each person that says, "this drive fits" or "That drive will work", has not provided a model number or source to obtain the drive.

I have found the ST18 Seagate drive, I think, but can not find a vendor to sell it. What I'd like to do is get the 120g drive. Who do we buy these things from?
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:12 AM
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Well, there are disks available on the net for sale eg. http://www.span.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_504_1801

The thing is, I opened my ZVM 60GB and found out I have a Hitachi HD and not a Toshiba. I think they have different pin connectivity. I'll look more into it.
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:47 AM
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the thing is, the 30 is thick enough. and also, what if somebody wants more than 60gb?
By, thick enough, do you mean thick enough to hold a larger drive or as thick as one would like. Dont get me wrong, I am waiting for the results on a 60gb upgrade because I have a new ipod 60 hard drive waiting to be used. It has the ribbon connection on it so I hope the ribbon from then drive will fit in the zen or the zens ribbon will fit in the ipod drive. I have both ribbons.

The issue is, look at the price of the drives alone.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:51 PM
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what i meant was the 30gb is pretty thick. it can probably hold larger drives, and i know i don't want the zen to be any thicker. and also, if somebody decides not to spend all that cash for a drive and just get a 60gb, well i think the 60 is too thick and i'd want more than 60gb anyways.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:58 PM
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I wonder if this would work? http://www.span.com/catalog/product_...f0faf28148dae7

The thing is, it's the novelty. It's the ability to hold EVERYTHING, as well as having a huge capacity in a, relatively to the HD capacity, small player. It's not a matter of "it's too 'spensive!". Well, actually, it might be. But still!
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:47 AM
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Digging up a little more on this...

Not all 1.8 HDs have the same interface connectors. There are different ZIF connector with different PIN assignments. This means that you have to select carefully the replacement drive.

For example, my ZEN has the Hitachi Travelstar C4K60 Slim (model no. HTC426060G8CE00). Its electrical interface is here: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/suppor...0_slim_eis.htm

The Toshiba MK8009GAH 80GB Disk would fit as a replacement, because as you can see on http://sdd.toshiba.com/localcache/820000002F5B00000D870000000100000000.pdf
(last page) the PIN assignment match exactly.

But Toshiba MK8007GAH 80GB Disk is NOT a match http://sdd.toshiba.com/localcache/82...0100000000.pdf
It even has more PINS (44 instead of 40), and there is only one number difference in the model number, so be carefull.

It seems that Toshiba hasn't put out on its public site the 100GB Disk (model no. MK1011GAH) specs yet. The technical specs page is this http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Pat...00659c00002700
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