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Old 05-02-2008, 12:38 PM
Big Swifty Big Swifty is offline
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Default P2 vs T10 re Master EQ and Bluetooth

Hi folks,

Great group with wonderful posters. I am completely new to this but somehow managed to follow directions to switch from MTP to UMS with lyrics to be my next feat.

I recently switched from the T10 to the P2 because CC has the P2 on sale making it only $50 or so more bucks than the T10.

I figured the P2s darling status, touch and larger screen was work the extra money. I figured the inside of the T10 and P2 are the same, so I won't be losing any functionality. But, now that I play around with the P2 I don't know if that is true.

On my T10 with the latest firmware (and even before I think) I was able to control the Master EQ settings even when using bluetooth headphones. The DNSe settings were not available, but basic tweaking could be done to the Master EQ settings (accessed through the settings menu, not by pressing menu when the player is in now playing mode...hope that makes sense)

I am using Samsung primarily for the bluetooth features and as you know BT sound is compromised to begin with, but the ability to tweat the Master EQ when in bluetooth mode is a real bonus and is making me rethink my decision to switch to the P2. The Bluetooth sound without the master eq tweaks on the P2 is definitely worse than it was on the T10.

Anyone know if I am missing something on the P2 and it that it is possible to control Master EQ settings, and if not, any idea why this functionality is different between the two models? And finally, does Samsung know about this difference and are there plans to fix it?

Thanks for the help with everything and sorry if there is a post on this, but the search kept ignoring EQ in my search string so I might have missed something obvious.

BS (Zappa, yes)
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Old 05-03-2008, 04:23 AM
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I think i know what you're asking about... While in the main menu, if you press Settings then Sounds theres a Master Eq you can mess with. Then there's also the eq you can mess with while actually listening to your music. To get to that eq you press the menuish button at the middle bottom of the screen, DNSe, User, and then the little right arrow next to user. I dunno if that'll help or answer your question.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:44 AM
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The Master EQ is active under BT A2DP on the T10 and not on P2. Niether support DNSe under A2DP. IMO, both sound worse than some phones, the YP-T9B, and the Sony NWZ-A829 using the A2DP stream. User EQ (DSNe) access goes a long way to counterbalance the BT deficencies in the YP-T9B and Sony NWZ-A829.

Oddly enough, even though the T10 has acess to the Master EQ in bluetooth, I think the flat response of the P2 sounds better than the flat or adjusted EQ response of the T10 with some of the BT headphones I've tried.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:48 AM
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You're right, if bluetooth is in use the EQ option is grayed out and not selectable in the master settings, and not showing in the now playing menu.

I have to wonder though if the way the P2 limits it is more "truthful" than other players. I recently picked up a Philips player with bluetooth and which promised to keep it's EQ and soundmode setting active during Bluetooth use, but in testing it those feature have absolutely no effect over my bluetooth headphones. Yet on wired headphones they have the intended effects on sound output. Of course both outputs are active if bluetooth is turned on. So the EQ options have to stay enabled for the wired output.
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Old 05-03-2008, 09:38 AM
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You're right, if bluetooth is in use the EQ option is grayed out and not selectable in the master settings, and not showing in the now playing menu.

I have to wonder though if the way the P2 limits it is more "truthful" than other players. I recently picked up a Philips player with bluetooth and which promised to keep it's EQ and soundmode setting active during Bluetooth use, but in testing it those feature have absolutely no effect over my bluetooth headphones. Yet on wired headphones they have the intended effects on sound output. Of course both outputs are active if bluetooth is turned on. So the EQ options have to stay enabled for the wired output.
I'd check out the Sony NWZ-A829 if you have a Sony Style store near by you. The EQ and all sound enhancements actually do work (change the output). The same goes for Samsung's very own YP-T9JBCB (firmware v1.80). The street mode, DNSe, and User EQ are enabled under BT and influence the sound output. Ditto for mobile phones with an EQ. The T10's master EQ also actually changes the output too under A2DP. There just isn't a sweet spot to be found...flat or adjusted with the BT headphones I've tested. The same BT headphones sound impressive to me with the A829 or T9B.
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Old 05-03-2008, 10:05 AM
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I keep looking at what Sony brings out. Target just updated their electronics displays, and they have new Sony's better displayed. No FM typically. No voice recording. 4:3 screens. In my opinion they aren't worth listening to if they aren't worth buying, and I won't buy one without FM, preferably RDS and recording, and a mic. The Philips model started out looking the same, but once I read the specs I bought one. They had a firmware update available and for the 1/2 hour I played with it before figuring that out I was ready to take it back. That update fixes several issues, and they have a few more to work out, but so far I'm delighted with it's sound, although not over bluetooth.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:36 AM
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I keep looking at what Sony brings out. Target just updated their electronics displays, and they have new Sony's better displayed. No FM typically. No voice recording. 4:3 screens. In my opinion they aren't worth listening to if they aren't worth buying, and I won't buy one without FM, preferably RDS and recording, and a mic..
I didn't say buy one, I said go to a store to try one out. If you want to know what to know what is possible with A2DP, it serves as an example of BT implementation done well. If you lived outside the states and had a store that still had the T9B in stock, you could also try the BT 1.2 output on this unit. Both exceed what the P2 & T10 offer as far as BT sound quality.
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