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Old 02-29-2008, 05:21 AM
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Default iPod Touch VS Samsung P2 - consumer's/my Point of view

Why I have written this article.
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<!--[endif]-->1.I own a Samsung YP-P2 , and I love it. I just scrolled thru the net to find out harsh comments that apple fanboys post about Samsung and the P2 as seen. These stupid nonsense comments can be seen in youtube video comparisions, yahoo questions, etc.
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<!--[endif]-->2.Its not that I hate the iPod Touch, its just I wanna show people the differences and the choice is upto them.
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<!--[endif]-->3.I kept thinking about this article, and I have a BIG exam tmrw which will decide whether I can go to college or not. So I had to write it so I can study in peace..

I am going to bore u a little by talking about myself. I am in the 12<sup>th</sup> grade and my board exams are going on, if I screw these exams I may never get admission in college.

How I Bought the P2
The story begins when I had to do this big marketing project, and the topic I thought of was Music Players, so I had to collect pictures and ads on music players. I thought of showing a real iPod nano after showing the ad to the examiner, so I wanted to purchase one. I checked out the prices and it was Dhs.899/US$250 and I felt its f***ing high. One day I ended up with an ad of the p2 and two other Samsung players, I found the P2 interesting. It was Dhs 999/US$270. I checked out reviews and stuff about the P2. Then I saw anythingbutipod and I saw that abi had a forum specially for the P2, when I came to know about the P2 and how better it was than the nano for just a 100 increase, I decided to get a P2 so I asked my dad for it on the new year. He said after my exams he wud get me(I had exams in January also, they were pre-boards). So finally my exams ended and then still I didn’t get the P2 cuz it wasn’t in stock. I waited a few days and then I got it. And here I am a proud owner of P2 and member of abi. When there wasn’t any stock of p2 the dealer told my dad to ask me if I wud like to buy the iPhone(I know this article is about the touch, but the iPhone aint that different.) and I immediately said no.
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Here are links to:
Apple iPod Touch Home Page
Samsung P2 Home Page
Samsung P2 review on abi written by EnzoTen. EnzoTen has reviewed dozens of music players and Samsung P2 is a proud winner of the Editor’s Choice.
Comparision between Samsung P2 and iPod Touch
Video Comparision between P2 and the iPod Touch. Its a great comparision, the flicker of the p2 screen is due to the camera and remember the p2 over here isnt the updated one. P.S If you dont wanna read the comments dont but if you want to know how stupid and idiotic fanboys are scroll thru 20+ pages like me.

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Okay, now I am going to answer as to why is the iPod so popular. The answer is brilliant marketing. Just compare the amounts that Apple spends on marketing its iPods and compare any other dap brand. Well good marketing comes at a cost. Which are the huge expenses that apple has to pay for its marketing. But what did apple get in return of so much marketing, the answer is more than half the dap market. Today the reason iPods are so common or popular is because Apple has spent a lot in its marketing.
Now since a product or brand is so popular , that doesn’t mean it’s the best. At abi, we don’t HATE iPods, we just don’t like em . We would prefer other devices over the iPod.
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Old 02-29-2008, 05:23 AM
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EDIT: I HAVE EDITED SOME STUFF
Okay so lets begin with a comparison of the P2 and the iPod Touch
I am going to list down things that we got with updates
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Ability to send and receive files via Bluetooth
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Dictionary
<!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->A more responsive Ui
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Now lets get on with the comparison(keep in mind everything below is from my point of view[am not a professional reviewer or anything but just a normal consumer])
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<!--[endif]-->1.Packaging: I really like the packaging of the iPod Nano and shuffle, but I really dont like the iPod Touch's packaging.(image of the iPod Packaging)The P2 has a very good and appealing packaging(a picture of the p2s packaging is present in EnzoTens review, link is above). I really am attracted to packaging a lot. I have a laptop, the dell inspiron 6400. It had a plain brown cardboard packaging, which is definitely boring. Who likes that? If anyone of you have seen the XFX(a nvidia graphics card manufacturer)Image of Xfx Packaging you will have been definitely impressed by the unique X shaped packaging. Anyways people say its what inside that matters , then also the packaging should never disappoint according to me.
Winner: Samsung P2
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<!--[endif]-->2.Design: I don’t know why people claim that the touch has a excellent design. C’mon the back is shiny enough to be used as a mirror and most of the front is covered with the screen with a lil empty space and space for the home button. And the headphone jack is ridiculous. The P2 is a definite winner. Winner: Samsung P2

<!--[if !supportLists]--> <!--[endif]-->3.Slimness/Weight: Since the invention of mobilephones like the moto Razr and daps like iPod Nano the slimness factor is gaining a nice popularity. iPod is the winner here. But People don’t just want the device to be slim, but also light. The P2 is lighter and the winner. Winner: None
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<!--[endif]-->4.Sound Quality: I am not an audiophile, but I can say without any doubt that the sound quality of P2 is better than the iPod Touch. I don’t just listen to music anymore, I enjoy music. .
If you like to ‘listen’ to music then maybe the Touch is a device for you.
Winner: Samsung P2
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<!--[endif]-->5.Screen: In clear words the Touch has a bigger screen and the P2 has a screen with more colors and wide viewing angles.
Winner: None
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<!--[endif]-->6.Operating system/User Interface: I must say without a doubt, the iPod Touch has the most wonderful and smoothest UI ever designed, that too for a touch screen device. Apple has done the best job over here. All those years of making os for computers definitely has given apple some experience and the result can be seen. The ui is sooo good that many people have switched from p2 or considered purchasing the touch just cuz of it.
Winner: iPod Touch( count this as two points, the ui is that good)
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<!--[endif]-->7.Battery Life: The claimed battery life of both Apple and Samsung are a little similar @22 hrs of music for the touch and @30 hrs for the P2. @5 hrs of video for both.Winner: Samsung P2
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<!--[endif]-->8.Wifi/Bluetooth: These are the features that raise hell when these two devices are compared. Both of them have their own uses and advantages. So its upto the consumer to decide what he wants more. Bluetooth or Wifi. Winner: None
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<!--[endif]-->9.File Transfer: With the P2 both MTP and UMS can be used but with the touch you are stuck with iTunes.(EDIT:You can use mediamonkey) Winner: Samsung P2 (because it has ums)
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<!--[endif]-->10.Fm radio: P2 has fm and Touch doesn’t. P2 can also record stuff playing on Fm.
Winner: Samsung P2
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<!--[endif]-->11.Memory Capacity: 2/4/8/16 for the P2 and 8/16/32 for the touch. Winner: iPod Touch
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<!--[endif]-->12.Colors: Touch comes only in one color and the P2 comes in Burgundy, White, and Black.
Winner: Samsung P2

<!--[if !supportLists]--> <!--[endif]-->13.Features: Well both have features which are similar like alarm and world clock. The p2 has games and dictionary.And since you get more features with the touch only if you pay, p2 is a winner. Winner: Samsung P2 I cancelled a point for the P2 as apple has released an sdk, it definitely is a blessing to the iPod Touch.Winner: iPod Touch
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14.Firmware Updates: Apple charges you and Samsung does'nt. Winner:Samsung P2

<!--[if !supportLists]--> <!--[endif]-->15.Accessories: The fact that apple is the leader in daps makes the availability of accessories for apple easily available. Samsung doesn’t have many accessories for the p2 neither do other brands. Few like leather case, crystal case, skin protection, are available. But for the Touch, hunting isnt necassary. Touch wins this one.
Winner: iPod Touch
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The score is 8-5. You know who wins. [Hint: it starts with a P]

Some may wonder why didnt i mention the multitouch system of the touch, Well "why should I?". I dont even see a practical use for the multi-touch yet, thats the reason...(Edit: If you consider playing a few keys on the virtual keyboard with the multi-touch practical, then you need a specialist)Again I leave it to the reader to add a point if he/she wants to.

And orientation sensor. If you like it so much then up the points of the touch by one....For me the sensor is pretty useless.

The fact still is that both the devices are meant for different kind of people, if you’re more into music and u ‘enjoy’ music like me, care about the quality of audio/video, and dont wanna pay for updates get the p2.

If you want wifi and are ready to pay for updates and don’t mind mediocre sound quality get the touch.

EDIT: I am giving the viewers a more matrixy touch (bluepill=touch and redpill=p2)

This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.....You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up and believe...whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill.....you stay in wonderland...and I show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes.




Okay for people who decide to buy the P2 i wanna say, when you first turn it on, this will surely pop in ur head "Welcome.... To the real world..."(its gonna pop cuz u read it )
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Old 02-29-2008, 05:26 AM
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I hope you liked the comparison
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Old 02-29-2008, 10:27 AM
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from my own user experience of both players

1) packaging. i could care less about the packaging for either player.

2) design. both look pretty sweet. i personally think samsung did something right and wins the cake on this though.

3) slimness/weight. i dont care about a few ounces or a millimeter here and there. makes no difference to me.

4) sound quality. i used to own a 4th gen ipod and the sound quality was absolutely terrible. i have NO idea how in the hell ipod ever gained popularity with such a garbage sounding device. that being said, ipod touch obviously uses a different soundchip now and the sound is vastly improved. after comparing the two, at least to my ears, samsung wins here.

5) screen. ipod touch wins hands down. the samsung screen seems very 'slow'. i get much more ghosting in videos on the p2 while playing the same videos on the ipod touch are smooth as butter. plus the ipod touch has a multi-touch screen while the p2 does not. this should severely limit the types of hacks and apps the p2 can use.

6) user interface. oh boy. the ipod touch's ui is sooo much more responsive than the p2 (this is based on the p2 with 3.15 firmware). first of all, the 'cosmos' style menu is just so clunky and useless. its 'cool' to play around with for a short while but other than that, its design and functionality is terrible. i dont know how anyone could possibly choose that mode over the matrix style one. the thing with the ipod touch is that they focused on looking cool as well as being totally functional, whereas samsung seemed to have only focused on the former.

7) battery life. i have never used both players to the extent where i ran down the batteries to near emptiness without being able to recharge either of them. so no comment here.

8) wifi/bluetooth. i definitely find wifi much more handier than bluetooth. honestly i don't even have a single bluetooth enabled device so that whole part of the p2 is just pointless to me. i'm the type of person that finds things like wireless headphones to be completely silly since i'm always going to have the p2 within a few feet of me anyway. ipod touch wins here for me.

9) File transfer. not sure what the OP is talking about. i use mediamonkey with the ipod touch just fine. so neither wins here.

10) FM radio. i am not a radio listener. and i find 'recording the radio' to be a stupid feature. when would i ever want to do that? if i wanted a good song, i'd download the mp3, not record some low quality radio version of it. frankly i'm surprised you can't even record voice with the p2 since it has a built-in mic already?

11) memory capacity. i'm the type of person who finds 4gb to be more then enough. so both players do fine for me.

12) colors. i guess samsung wins by default here.

13) features. samsung is most definitely NOT the winner here. the very fact that the ipod touch has a world of hacks readily available (like running gameboy advanced roms) makes it a clear winner here. there are yet to be any hacks i'm aware of for the samsung p2. coupled with the fact once again that the ipod touch has a multi-touch screen while the p2 does not should severely limit the types of hacks and apps the p2 can use.

14) firmware. samsung has free firmware updates. apples system of paying for firmware makes absolutely no sense and is just stupid. like they need to charge any more money for their overpriced products anyway.

15) accessories. obviously the ipod touch.

although it sounds like im bagging on the p2, overall i choose it over the ipod touch simply because of the price. now if the ipod touch were the same $ as samsung p2? i'd EASILY pick the ipod touch.
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from my own user experience of both players

1) packaging. i could care less about the packaging for either player.

2) design. both look pretty sweet. i personally think samsung did something right and wins the cake on this though.

3) slimness/weight. honestly i dont care about a few ounces or a millimeter here and there. makes no difference to me.

4) sound quality. i used to own a 4th gen ipod and the sound quality was absolutely terrible. i have NO idea how in the hell ipod ever gained popularity with such a garbage sounding device. that being said, ipod touch obviously uses a different soundchip now and the sound is vastly improved. after comparing the two, at least to my ears, samsung wins here.

5) screen. ipod touch wins hands down. the samsung screen seems very 'slow'. i get much more ghosting in videos on the p2 while playing the same videos on the ipod touch are smooth as butter. plus the ipod touch has a multi-touch screen while the p2 does not. this should severely limit the types of hacks and apps the p2 can use.

6) user interface. oh boy. the ipod touch's ui is sooo much more responsive than the p2 (this is based on the p2 with 3.15 firmware). first of all, the 'cosmos' style menu is just so clunky and useless. its 'cool' to play around with for a short while but other than that, its design and functionality is terrible. i dont know how anyone could possibly choose that mode over the matrix style one. the thing with the ipod touch is that they focused on looking cool as well as being totally functional, whereas samsung seemed to have only focused on the former.

7) battery life. honestly i have never used both players to the extent where i ran down the batteries to near emptiness without being able to recharge either of them. so no comment here.

8) wifi/bluetooth. i definitely find wifi much more handier than bluetooth. honestly i don't even have a single bluetooth enabled device so that whole part of the p2 is just pointless to me. i'm the type of person that finds things like wireless headphones to be completely silly since i'm always going to have the p2 within a few feet of me anyway. ipod touch wins here for me.

9) File transfer. not sure what the OP is talking about. i use mediamonkey with the ipod touch just fine. so neither wins here.

10) FM radio. i am not a radio listener. and i find 'recording the radio' to be a stupid feature. when would i ever want to do that? if i wanted a good song, i'd download the mp3, not record some low quality radio version of it. frankly i'm surprised you can't even record voice with the p2 since it has a built-in mic already?

11) memory capacity. i'm the type of person who finds 4gb to be more then enough. so both players do fine for me.

12) colors. i guess samsung wins by default here.

13) features. samsung is most definitely NOT the winner here. the very fact that the ipod touch has a world of hacks readily available (like running gameboy advanced roms) makes it a clear winner here. there are yet to be any hacks i'm aware of for the samsung p2. coupled with the fact once again that the ipod touch has a multi-touch screen while the p2 does not should severely limit the types of hacks and apps the p2 can use.

14) firmware. samsung has free firmware updates. apples system of paying for firmware makes absolutely no sense and is just stupid. like they need to charge any more money for their overpriced products anyway.

15) accessories. obviously the ipod touch.

although it sounds like im bagging on the p2, overall i choose it over the ipod touch simply because of the price. now if the ipod touch were the same $ as samsung p2? i'd EASILY pick the ipod touch.
According to my thoughts u should have got a psp rather than a p2 or even the touch.

And I edited my post regarding using iTunes.. If ipod Touch had ums then i wud hav reduced the point of the p2 by one
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I have a P2 and my wife has the touch. I like the size of the P2 compared to the touch. It just feels more portable to me. They both have advantages over each other. For me the P2 is exactly what I want.
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Nice little comparison/review. I'm going to move this to a forum where more people might see it.
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13) features. samsung is most definitely NOT the winner here. the very fact that the ipod touch has a world of hacks readily available (like running gameboy advanced roms) makes it a clear winner here. there are yet to be any hacks i'm aware of for the samsung p2. coupled with the fact once again that the ipod touch has a multi-touch screen while the p2 does not should severely limit the types of hacks and apps the p2 can use.
Incorrect. When features are concerned, players should be compared on what features are supported natively. Being that hacks, mods, etc. are options, the P2 wins hands down.

P.S. Not to have a go at you, but I used to record off the FM frequency when Howard Stern was on free radio. Some of the comedy skits were hilarious. I would never record music, however.
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Nice little comparison/review. I'm going to move this to a forum where more people might see it.

I wanted the people to google "ipod touch vs samsung p2" to eventually land here and see the difference. I dont want people to listen to fanboys blindly. . I'm glad you liked it

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Incorrect. When features are concerned, players should be compared on what features are supported natively. Being that hacks, mods, etc. are options, the P2 wins hands down.
I wanted to post this earlier... But i have exams
I'd like to add that not every1 likes to void their warranty
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from my own user experience of both players
8) wifi/bluetooth. i definitely find wifi much more handier than bluetooth. honestly i don't even have a single bluetooth enabled device so that whole part of the p2 is just pointless to me. i'm the type of person that finds things like wireless headphones to be completely silly since i'm always going to have the p2 within a few feet of me anyway. ipod touch wins here for me.
Really, I'm sure you must own a cell phone

I use BT and BitPim with mine...

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10) FM radio. i am not a radio listener. and i find 'recording the radio' to be a stupid feature. when would i ever want to do that? if i wanted a good song, i'd download the mp3, not record some low quality radio version of it. frankly i'm surprised you can't even record voice with the p2 since it has a built-in mic already?
There are some, like me, who listen to talk radio and may at times record it for later listening. I know my friend did, until Howard Stearn went to sat radio, now he records it with his port sat radio.

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11) memory capacity. i'm the type of person who finds 4gb to be more then enough. so both players do fine for me.
I want 32GB, so I can have my whole 300 CD library on my player

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although it sounds like im bagging on the p2, overall i choose it over the ipod touch simply because of the price. now if the ipod touch were the same $ as samsung p2? i'd EASILY pick the ipod touch.
Same here. But wouldn't mind having a P2 (or an iTouch) for the price of a Sansa View...
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actually i don't own a cell phone
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Incorrect. When features are concerned, players should be compared on what features are supported natively. Being that hacks, mods, etc. are options, the P2 wins hands down.

i guess i differ with that point of view. the hackability of these media players is definitely a main feature to me. i'm sure tons of p2 owners including myself can't wait till some wily programmer finds a way to get some sweet custom apps/games on there without having to wait for 'official' firmware updates. so far there appears to be none at all.

i like my p2, but i'd like it even more if i could at least get a calculator, tetris, and little tiny apps like that on there
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i like my p2, but i'd like it even more if i could at least get a calculator, tetris, and little tiny apps like that on there
I bet some korean engineer may be reading this and telling himself Wish granted wish granted wish granted wish granted

Edit: I cant believe NONE of u wished me luck for the exam... It was fine btw 40+/60. Well dfkt told me to study...
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9) File transfer. not sure what the OP is talking about. i use mediamonkey with the ipod touch just fine. so neither wins here.
You can use MediaMonkey because MediaMonkey contains a plugin which allows you to sync with iPods. But that doesn't change the fact that the P2 supports MSC mode, while the iPod Touch doesn't. Among other advantages, this allows you to address the P2 using a drive letter, which opens it up for usage with a whole set of apps.
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You can use MediaMonkey because MediaMonkey contains a plugin which allows you to sync with iPods. But that doesn't change the fact that the P2 supports MSC mode, while the iPod Touch doesn't. Among other advantages, this allows you to address the P2 using a drive letter, which opens it up for usage with a whole set of apps.
hmm you're right. i take back that remark then.

as for apps for the p2, afaik there has been exactly 0 apps/games for the p2 that have been released by users. hopefully this will change soon.
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hmm you're right. i take back that remark then.

as for apps for the p2, afaik there has been exactly 0 apps/games for the p2 that have been released by users. hopefully this will change soon.
The fact is that there arent as many p2 users as the touch. I mentioned why apple is popular...
So we dont have as many programmers as the touch...
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I wanted the people to google "ipod touch vs samsung p2" to eventually land here and see the difference.
Well done, its showing up on the first page. =)
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Just my prediction coming true
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after getting used to the p2 for a while, i decided to boot my ipod touch up again just for a fresh comparison.

and wow, the ipod touch is just so much smoother in nearly every way. the screen doesn't lag as much as the p2. for example try scrolling through the crappy album art scroller in p2, and then switch over to the touch (either album art view or just scrolling through lists). HUGE difference.

i honestly cant believe most p2 reviews completely skip over the fact on how slow the p2 reacts. the screen response is almost sad in comparison. i don't know how the screen was before the latest firmware (3.15) but apparently it improved screen response? i can't imagine how friggin slow it must have been before then.

some dude at work wanted to check out my music and passed me his ipod touch to check out his. i was almost too embarassed to hand the samsung over cause i knew i was gonna hear comments on how slow the screen response is!

i just have to remind myself now and then that the samsung p2 was never meant to compete at the same level ipod touch is at.
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I can honestly say that I don't find the P2 as laggy as you make it out to be. My wife has the 16gb touch and I find it a pain in the ass to start up. Half of the time it takes around 35 to 40 seconds to get to the home page. Videos look far more washed out on the touch too.
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