Software to Manage Your Music/Media?

[lestatar]

Originally Posted by skip252

You know that, I know that, but as you can see lestatar is just now learning about that. WMP is part of in the OS in Vista and Win7 AFAIK. I've never found a way to uninstall it. TBH I don't think you can. I really don't know if having the MTP Porting Kit is the culprit or not, I'm just putting things out there.

I have used MusicBee on a WinXP machine, 3 Vista machines and now under Win7. The interaction with MTP devices went from decent to very good about 4 months ago. If it's not working for lestatar I was just wondering what might be different about his MTP implementation. The porting kit was the only thing that came to mind so I asked. TBH if removing that doesn't help I'm stumped.

Well, now I may need to find some time and research this but it ain't a priority for me ATM.

No joy - uninstalled MTP Porting Kit, rebooted, launched MusicBee and still get the same behavior - fails to allow me to browse/access my Sony E345 [and same for a 16GB Kingston USB flashdrive I always have plugged in as well]. Both are listed, but no actions are possible.

Odd!

Winamp and Sony E345 still work fine so it does seem that for Win7 MTP support is onboard, not requiring the Kit.

Strange! Must be something local to my laptop.

Thanks guys...

[CrowdAds]

[kredig]

anyone interested to write a review or shall i take the job?

actually did the playcount import of lastfm. it quite perfect. took only 3 mins or so for 14000 (i didn't know i have that much cds) tracks and the best thing about it, the script made a difference between live and album tracks. so the playcount should be accurate.

[copeys]

When I moved my library (iTunes) to an external 2TB HDD I lost all my playcounts . Playcounts are one of the most important things TBH

But I just finished backing up everything I have purchased from iTunes... 10 DVDs worth

[kredig]

yep, indeed...i am a little fanatic about it. too bad that there isn't an ability to get the playcounts from an mp3player on the media player...

[eboyer93]

I use Last.fm to store the playcounts of my MP3 players and foobar2000.

[skip252]

Originally Posted by marc2003

i'm thinking there might be a problem with accuraterip support claimed by music bee. i ripped a known good CD and musicbee reported that it was accurately ripped. but when i tried to verify with foobar2000, it wouldn't submit to accuraterip because of some "not a gapless rip" error (i can't remember the exact wording). i then used the foo_bitcompare and this reported that the last track in the album had a different length to the good version i already had ripped.

can anyone else confirm this?

I get the same thing when I rip as file per track. I tried it on 3 machines and the difference in length on the last track is always the offset of the drive on that machine. When I placed the MusicBee tracks and known good files in a audio editor and subtracted one signal from the other all I heard was silence. The few samples difference in length aren't audible on my setup.

When I use CUEtools to verify the MusicBee files they are verified as accurately ripped but has the message "Padded some input files to a frame boundary.".

When I rip as file per disc with cuesheet everything works as it should. Full verification by both f2bk and CUEtools as matching across more than 10 pressings. The bit-compare is exact to the disc. When I used MusicBee or f2bk to transcode the files to individual lossless files using the cuesheet the resulting files were also silent when subtracted from known good files.

I don't know enough about the AccurateRip process to properly figure what's wrong with MusicBee's implementation. It seems to work correctly when the rip is file per disc and fail if its file per track. What really puzzles me is that the CRCs reported by MusicBee in either case are the same.

marc2003 (or anyone) are you interested in trying this and see if you get the same results? If this is repeatable I'd think it would be considered a bug and the developer might be interested in looking into it.

[marc2003]

Originally Posted by skip252

The few samples difference in length aren't audible on my setup.

i didn't even check the exact figure. i knew it was miniscule and would be inaudible but that's not the point. if the length doesn't match, it's not accurate. simple as that. i'll do another test later when i'm on my laptop. i ain't got no optical drive in my pc anymore.

Originally Posted by skip252

When I use CUEtools to verify the MusicBee files they are verified as accurately ripped but has the message "Padded some input files to a frame boundary."

i searched for that on hydrogenaudio as that's where the development thread is for cue tools and i found this post....

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...dpost&p=653087

seems odd how it now passes as accurate??

[skip252]

That's more of an aside and just part of what I always do to check the quality of a rip. Personally I'm not going to worry about an inaudible 48 or 667 samples but it does seem to demonstrate the file per track implementation of AccurateRip isn't handled properly in MusicBee.

Edit: Hey, I admitted that I don't know much about Accuraterip. I'm simply reporting what I get when I submit the rip to the CUEtools database.

[marc2003]

i do realise i'm being extremely anal over this but i can't help myself.

[stevenmmm]

Originally Posted by skip252

That's more of an aside and just part of what I always do to check the quality of a rip. Personally I'm not going to worry about an inaudible 48 or 667 samples but it does seem to demonstrate the file per track implementation of AccurateRip isn't handled properly in MusicBee.

Edit: Hey, I admitted that I don't know much about Accuraterip. I'm simply reporting what I get when I submit the rip to the CUEtools database.

i'm the developer of musicbee. i can assure you an accurate rip CRC calculation is done, compared to the accuraterip database and differences reported. It sounds to me like you have not set the read offset correction the same when comparing the files eg. my cd drive has a read offset of +102. If this isnt set in one of the ripping apps then the a binary comparison with the file produced by another app will show 102 extra/missing samples. Also if doing a straight binary comparison with WAV files, MusicBee writes a LIST chunk at the end to store tags. I dont think foobar or EAC do that. I have reverified the above with a couple of CDs using foobar and EAC and am satisfied MusicBee is working correctly

[lestatar]

^ Welcome to ABi, stevenmmm. Congratulations on a nice piece of work and thanks so much for piping in with your comments/clarifications.

Hope you plan to drop by now and again - I for one intend to play a bit deeper with MusicBee.

Do you suggest/have any resources re: MusicBee beyond the site and FAQ you can share with folks here?

cheers,
-les

[stevenmmm]

Originally Posted by lestatar

^ Welcome to ABi, stevenmmm. Congratulations on a nice piece of work and thanks so much for piping in with your comments/clarifications.

Hope you plan to drop by now and again - I for one intend to play a bit deeper with MusicBee.

Do you suggest/have any resources re: MusicBee beyond the site and FAQ you can share with folks here?

cheers,
-les

info about accurate rip can be found on: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/

[McDougal]

My update on MusicBee - I like it

I like the interface, very easy to use yet not dumbed-down, and tons of themes to choose from. The software seems pretty stable, could be a tad faster at opening, but runs just fine. Haven't tested out the converter or ripper yet, but from looking through the settings, it looks like it would work well. Think I'll keep it on my machine.

Great work, stevenmmm !

[jegtar]

I have been digging Musicbee as well. Very impressive. Using my android captivate works well. One thing I can't figure out though is syncing an entire album or artist at once. I have to click the album in the nav pane and then highlight individual songs at the bottom.
In Media monkey I can double click the album and it automatically highlights every song, I then just click the sync icon at the top or drag it over. If Musicbee had, or has an option like this I will for sure be switching.

[kredig]

if you have album and tracks enabled (the view in the mainpanel with the albumarts) then you only need to click once on the art to select a whole album.
and for selecting a whole artist just go to the artist, mark a song and then ctrl + a. then every song is highlighted.

[georgemoe]

abi Noob here. Need to get a bit more organized with my MP3's and this is a great topic. Thanks!

Have a new Sansa CZ coming tomorrow and need something better than itunes and WMP for mgmt. I'm going to give MusicBee a look.

[RickH57]

Musicbee for me, thanks to this forum.

[steinburger1109]

When I answered the poll, I had been using WMP... I wish I could change my vote lol

[Marvin the Martian]

Originally Posted by steinburger1109

When I answered the poll, I had been using WMP... I wish I could change my vote lol

I voted foobar2000 and Mediamonkey(on both computers).....who knew that later on I would also have iTunes on one computer and Zune on the other? lol.

[Bob_K]

I voted for Music Bee. I've used them all in the past, but find that MB does everything I want it to do....and more. I don't think any one program could be perfect for every user; but for me MB is my choice for now.