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Old 11-25-2013, 07:40 PM
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I just noticed that on the Amazon UK site the HJE450 in white is only 12 quid! That is quite cheap, especially for UK pricing! It is even a bit cheaper than US pricing!
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:11 PM
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thanks JK - so you find the es18s better than the 450s then ?
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:18 PM
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If you want sound that is very much like the Soundmagic E10, then get the Soundmagic ES18. The ES18 is 1/3 the price of the E10. I don't have the E10, however I have read many reviews saying that the ES18 sounds very much like the E10. I love my ES18. The E10 and ES18 have just 10mm drivers though, so they don't give as much deep bass as the RPHJE450 or the XB210B. The ES18 is very musical sounding though, with great highs and a great midrange. I wish Soundmagic would come out with an IEM similar to the ES18 but with 12.5 mm or 13.5mm drivers.
I don't think that in IEMs the driver size correlates with the phones ability to reproduce bass frequencies. There are IEMs with micro drivers (6mm) and good bass response (Yamaha EPH-100).
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:30 PM
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thanks JK - so you find the es18s better than the 450s then ?
The ES18 has better midrange than the HJE450, however the HJE450 has much better deep bass. The ES18 also isolates better, as the HJE450 is ported. I like both. For violin music the ES18 is better, but for organ music or rock the HJE450 is better due to its much better deep bass. The HJE450 has 12.5 mm drivers, while the ES18 has just 10mm drivers. This makes a big difference for the lower bass response.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:32 PM
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thanks JK.. I see.. cheers
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:36 PM
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I don't think that in IEMs the driver size correlates with the phones ability to reproduce bass frequencies. There are IEMs with micro drivers (6mm) and good bass response (Yamaha EPH-100).
It does correlate, everything else being equal. The EPH100 for example has the driver in the ear canal, so a much smaller driver closer to the eardrum is equivalent to a larger one further away. For example, a supraaural(on the ear) headphone with a 30mm driver is probably comparable to a traditional IEM with a 10mm driver, while the EPH-100 with its tiny driver might be equivalent to a traditional IEM with a 13.5mm driver or a supraaural headphone with a 50mm driver.
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:04 PM
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It does correlate, everything else being equal.
How often is everything else equal between two IEMs? So better to make no assumptions from the driver size alone.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:05 PM
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so far only downside of 450s is that the cable joining to the buds seems on the fragile side - wont be surprised when it breaks! :/
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:30 PM
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on some albums they sound very bassy while on others they sound a bit lacking and high end :/ im guessing this is down to the recording - would adding reply gain help even this difference out ?

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Old 11-27-2013, 10:09 PM
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"All else being equal" essentially means "this is a spec I've looked at and decided based on what I believe it means". It doesn't hold up in the real world but it won't stop him from saying it. The best you can hope to do is let others know your experience. Mine is that trying to judge the amount of bass by driver size can be very misleading.

If it were possible to just measure the driver and know how much bass will be supplied finding headphones to suit your taste would be much simpler. The shape of the housing, if they are ported, the distance from the eardrum, the angle they sit in your ears can and will have an effect equal to or more important than the size of the driver in my experience.

Making up equivalences like the one between different sizes of drivers in IEMs and on ear headphone has the potential to be even more misleading. I have the AKG K 81 DJ and calling them portable subwoofers isn't exaggerating. I also have the MEelectronics HT-21that have a 40 mm driver. They are among the most bass light headphones I've ever heard. The JVC Flats with 30 mm drivers have bass in quantities that my best effort with good a good equalizer can't give the HT-21 before they distort.

As far as IEMs I have the E10 which have 10 mm drivers. I also have the Denon AH-C260 that have 9 mm drivers. The Denons put out a level of bass that the E10 don't begin to match. Too much for my taste. That they manage to do that without intruding too much into the mids is one of the reasons I keep them. The very upper treble range gets compromised more than what I like but when I'm in a mood to bring the thump I'm not usually concerned with that much anyway.

I could go on with other examples but it hardly seems worth the effort. I'll just repeat that trying to judge bass quantity and quality based on the size of the driver runs a good chance of bringing very different results than what's being said here.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:40 AM
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on some albums they sound very bassy while on others they sound a bit lacking and high end :/ im guessing this is down to the recording - would adding reply gain help even this difference out ?

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i hadnt saved my new EQ settings in poweramp ....woof!

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Old 12-13-2013, 08:22 PM
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really liking these :-) very nice sound
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:30 PM
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Good to hear. How's that cable holding up?
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:17 AM
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thanks :-) it's not broken yet! :-D
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:08 PM
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If you like it so much and the white ones are still 12 quids, you should get some spares. Buying one or two spares of an inexpensive earphone is a good idea, but if you buy many you run the risk that they replace it with something better, leaving you with a large batch of earphones you no longer want. Sometime though, they discontinue it, and don't come out with a similar replacement, or the replacement is much worse than the original.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:29 AM
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ah yes good point. cheers JK
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:05 PM
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just used my 450s on the train for a few hours.. they did really well! :-D they managed to retain a decent amount of bass even with the background noise.. cool
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Old 05-19-2014, 11:11 PM
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update:

due to mrs dan suddenly deciding that she like my 450s much more than her ep630s
...i was left with need for new cans
was going to finally get some e10s, but at the last minute decided to go for the es20s

THEY SOUND FAB! i think they have a cleaner sound than the 450s - the bass is there when needed but not overpowering like ak451s

the sound isnt warm like my bose ie2s, sort of a fresher sound i feel

very good

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