Well I got a pair of the Sennheiser phones I mentioned above, they are utterly disappointing! Crutchfield bills them as over the ear, on my head the are on the ear. I forgot how frustrating the rubberized cord is. I have been using a pair of Kicker EB 101's which have a braided cord. I am interested on those Incase haas phones TDS told me about. The $50 price sale price would've great!!!
I did get a Playdock for my Zen Vision M, I'd you use a Zen Vision M and can find one of those Playdock, buy it! The Playdock sounds better than the headphones