OK, revisiting these after some time spent...short version for people that dont read so good or are impatient...I like them. I consider them a reasonable alternative to the Hippo VB. Big bass without sacrificing all the rest too much. I thinkt hey are cheaper...I know I paid about $40 for a second hand pair. Thats half the price and I am not missing the VBs really, now that I have these. I still think the VBs go a little lower but can't A/B them since the VBs are gone now
longer story...I have fitment issues with any IEM I try. my ears are weird and a bit sensitive so it takes a while. The best fit I could get with the stock tips was using the double flanges, but wow these are huge when you add a double flange to that already big body. Plus multi flange tips bother my ears. I ended up putting my trusty shure olives on using my patent pending stretch and pull technique. This involves a pair of fine tip needle nose pliers and some brute strength. The Olives are amazingly resilient. I have stretched them to 3 times the normal size and they snap right back. The sony tips did alright but the opening is smaller and if I didnt get a good solid seal they would shift and I could tell a difference in the sound. Once that fiasco was settled I was able to use these exclusively for the last week. I enjoy them, they are what I usually like in an everyday set. Enough power int he bass to bump it up when I want some ear rumble but enough qaulity across the spectrum that they dont sound stupid when I tone it back for other genres. The cable is a bit annoying being the J shape. and the mic is in the way. the cloth cable is decent, doesnt introduce too much more noise and makes it way easier to untangle. I grabbed a spare cable clip and it makes it all much easier to deal with. Overall build quality seems good. housings are solid, cable isnt bad. I like it. If you need a bass oriented set and can get a set for $40, do it without a second thought.