SanDisk pitch issues

[MadWerewolfBoy]

Originally Posted by lynnux

Can someone confirm for me that the change in pitch is from A=440 to A=441? I'm a musician, and if that's the actual change, I'm okay with getting the Clip+. A 5 cent increase wouldn't be okay, 1 cent I can live with.

according to the accurate figure of "pitch error of 0.247%",

yes. 440Hz becomes 441.0868Hz

i think that's about at most 4 cents of error.

[tbaac]

This may be a really stupid suggestion. But.....

If you have an issue with the pitch on your Clip / Clip+, and if the device will not be fixed any further than it is now in the near future, then how about changing the music files?

I gather than lengthening a track is called "time stretching" and changing its pitch is called "pitch shifting". For Linux I gather that Audacity is a free program that can do this. For Windows apparently Transcribe (which isn't free) can do it.
It would be an interesting experiment to play a track on your Clip, work out by what percentage it is too long, and then "time stretch" it negatively and "pitch shift" it by that percentage. Then see if it is the right length and test the pitch.

It may be a lot of effort, however once you have the process worked out, if this is the only thing "ruining" an otherwise decent music player for you then it might be worth a try.

(Or indeed it might be a rubbish idea, just a thought )

[Marvin the Martian]

Originally Posted by tbaac

This may be a really stupid suggestion. But.....

If you have an issue with the pitch on your Clip / Clip+, and if the device will not be fixed any further than it is now in the near future, then how about changing the music files?

I gather than lengthening a track is called "time stretching" and changing its pitch is called "pitch shifting". For Linux I gather that Audacity is a free program that can do this. For Windows apparently Transcribe (which isn't free) can do it.
It would be an interesting experiment to play a track on your Clip, work out by what percentage it is too long, and then "time stretch" it negatively and "pitch shift" it by that percentage. Then see if it is the right length and test the pitch.

It may be a lot of effort, however once you have the process worked out, if this is the only thing "ruining" an otherwise decent music player for you then it might be worth a try.

(Or indeed it might be a rubbish idea, just a thought )

There is already a workaround.....changing your files so they are sampled at 48khz instead of 44.1. But most feel they shouldn't have to do this.

[tbaac]

Okay, thanks for that Marvin. I'd read through the thread but I hadn't seen that.

My position is that I'm thinking of getting a Clip+ soon. I bought an S9 but it didn't play nicely with Linux and I'm thinking that a Clip+ may be a decent alternative to the D2+ that I was going to get instead.

Does sampling at 48khz affect the music quality at all? Tbh I wouldn't notice the pitch problem especially on the Clip+, but now I've read the thread and know that its there I'd be thinking about it

[Marvin the Martian]

Originally Posted by tbaac

Okay, thanks for that Marvin. I'd read through the thread but I hadn't seen that.

My position is that I'm thinking of getting a Clip+ soon. I bought an S9 but it didn't play nicely with Linux and I'm thinking that a Clip+ may be a decent alternative to the D2+ that I was going to get instead.

Does sampling at 48khz affect the music quality at all? Tbh I wouldn't notice the pitch problem especially on the Clip+, but now I've read the thread and know that its there I'd be thinking about it

I think as long as you re-rip from the CD at 48k it would be fine. If you were to convert existing mp3 files, that might change something.But I believe the error is much smaller on the Clip+, enough so that almost nobody can hear it...so I wouldn't worry about any workarounds.

[tbaac]

As you say its probably not worth worrying about, but now I know about it....

Am I right in thinking that specifying the rate takes place at the ripping stage rather than the encoding stage? i.e. when using EAC or cdparanoia rather when using flac or lame?

[Marvin the Martian]

Originally Posted by tbaac

As you say its probably not worth worrying about, but now I know about it....

Am I right in thinking that specifying the rate takes place at the ripping stage rather than the encoding stage? i.e. when using EAC or cdparanoia rather when using flac or lame?

I'm really not sure, in all honesty.

[tbaac]

Okay, thanks anyway.

As has been mentioned previously, the Clip+ gets to within 0.25% so I should probably stop worrying, my ear's not that good.

[Mikerman]

Quite candidly, few noticed any difference with the original Clip, apart from some trained musicians and those of that ilk.

[Dreamnine]

I couldn't notice anything with the original Clip or now with the Clip+.