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wyrdeau 11-29-2010 04:04 PM

R0 - 2 Qs about "skip interval" and "play speed"
 
Hi, I'm particularly interested in buying the R0 having just downloaded the manual. I wonder if someone could help with a couple of questions?

I use skip interval a lot for language learning (iriver used to call this 'study mode') but it's not clear from the manual if the skip interval is adjustable or not. If not, what is the fixed skip interval? (10 seconds has been quoted on a couple of sites).

For language learning also, I'm quite excited by the possibility of slowing the play speed without affecting the pitch and as I've understood it, the R0 can do this as part of the DNSe 3.0 utility. Could someone please confirm this, and, if so, what degree of adjustment is possible?

Many thanks for any help on this...

lebellium 11-29-2010 04:24 PM

Not usual questions, I like it :)

There is only a "study mode" on the U5 and U6
However on the R0 you can adjust the skip interval: 5s, 10s, 30s, 1min, 1 song

With DNSe 3.0 you can also choose play speed: normal, fast 1, 2 and 3, slow 1, 2 and 3.
There is no pitch variation but you must bear in mind sound quality gets worse (especially in level 2 or 3). That's probably fine for voice recordings but that's terrible on music.

wyrdeau 11-29-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lebellium (Post 517979)
Not usual questions, I like it :)

There is only a "study mode" on the U5 and U6
However on the R0 you can adjust the skip interval: 5s, 10s, 30s, 1min, 1 song

With DNSe 3.0 you can also choose play speed: normal, fast 1, 2 and 3, slow 1, 2 and 3.
There is no pitch variation but you must bear in mind sound quality gets worse. That's probably fine for voice recordings but that's terrible on music.


Thanks lebellium for your reply.

I've also got the much older T9 which also offers skip interval (going down to a slightly lower 3s minumum) but 5s is fine. Am I right in assuming that this would operate just like the T9, i.e. in both play and pause, a single click on the left or right jumps the track back or forward by the selected interval? That's all I need.

In fact I'm curious now, because I wonder what 'study mode' on the U5 offers over and above this? (perhaps I should take a look at the manual!).

Regarding play speed; yes, I'd only use this for speech and I wouldn't expect to stretch the timing (make it slower) to anything beyond 75% - i.e. a 3 second passage at normal speed would last 4 seconds at the stretched speed.

Do you think one of the 3 slow settings would achieve approximately this degree of adjustment?

- thanks again for taking the time...

lebellium 11-29-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wyrdeau (Post 517986)
Thanks lebellium for your reply.

I've also got the much older T9 which also offers skip interval (going down to a slightly lower 3s minumum) but 5s is fine. Am I right in assuming that this would operate just like the T9, i.e. in both play and pause, a single click on the left or right jumps the track back or forward by the selected interval? That's all I need.

Yes, you're right assuming ;)


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In fact I'm curious now, because I wonder what 'study mode' on the U5 offers over and above this? (perhaps I should take a look at the manual!).
http://media.generationmp3.com/lebel...0011613ter.JPGhttp://media.generationmp3.com/lebel...0011612ter.JPG

That's the study mode on the U5. Basically that's just an optimised mode to control the play speed, the skip interval and the A-B function at the same time. But on the U5 there are only the DNSe 3.0 Core so there is a variation of pitch when you ajust the play speed. So it's a useless study mode...

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Regarding play speed; yes, I'd only use this for speech and I wouldn't expect to stretch the timing (make it slower) to anything beyond 75% - i.e. a 3 second passage at normal speed would last 4 seconds at the stretched speed.

Do you think one of the 3 slow settings would achieve approximately this degree of adjustment?

- thanks again for taking the time...
Slow 1: 3s passage in 3,7 seconds
Slow 2: - in 4 seconds
Slow 3: - in 4,2 seconds
But I benchmarked that with the R0 time bar and the P3's stopwatch, I'm not sure that's very accurate but well your test passed ^^

wyrdeau 11-29-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lebellium (Post 517991)
Yes, you're right assuming ;)


- that's good!


http://media.generationmp3.com/lebel...0011613ter.JPGhttp://media.generationmp3.com/lebel...0011612ter.JPG

That's the study mode on the U5. Basically that's just an optimised mode to control the play speed, the skip interval and the A-B function at the same time. But on the U5 there are only the DNSe 3.0 Core so there is a variation of pitch when you ajust the play speed. So it's a useless study mode...

Slow 1: 3s passage in 3,7 seconds
Slow 2: - in 4 seconds
Slow 3: - in 4,2 seconds
But I benchmarked that with the R0 time bar and the P3's stopwatch, I'm not sure that's very accurate but well your test passed ^^

That's accurate enough! - I'm much obliged to you lebellium, and thanks for taking the trouble to show the pics of the U5 - I hope Samsung realise what an asset you are to their operation!

I'll be ordering the R0 tomorrow...

wyrdeau 11-29-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lebellium (Post 517991)

http://media.generationmp3.com/lebel...0011613ter.JPGhttp://media.generationmp3.com/lebel...0011612ter.JPG

That's the study mode on the U5. Basically that's just an optimised mode to control the play speed, the skip interval and the A-B function at the same time. But on the U5 there are only the DNSe 3.0 Core so there is a variation of pitch when you ajust the play speed. So it's a useless study mode...

..apologies for taking your time - just another thought...

As you say the pitch change on the U5 which accompanies the speed change renders it much less usable - I had considered getting the U5 but that would rule it out for me.

But coming back to the R0; can one also use the A-B function at the same time as the slow playback 1, 2 or 3 ?

lebellium 11-29-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wyrdeau (Post 517997)
..apologies for taking your time - just another thought...

As you say the pitch change on the U5 which accompanies the speed change renders it much less usable - I had considered getting the U5 but that would rule it out for me.

Yes... and Samsung was lying in its communication. They were saying "For those who want to learn foreign languages, the feature Play & Learn allows you to adjust the play speed without changing the pitch."
So after noticing in my U5 review that was wrong I asked them to remove this sentence from their websites...
With the pitch changing, that's quite funny but that's not helpful to learn a foreign language...

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But coming back to the R0; can one also use the A-B function at the same time as the slow playback 1, 2 or 3 ?
Yes of course. Works perfectly, I just tried ;)
There is one "option" button that allows you to change the play options (play mode, play speed, play interval) and there is a user button dedicated to the A-B function in music mode.

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I hope Samsung realise what an asset you are to their operation!
They do realise. Otherwise I would not own more than 10 Samsung DAPs. I don't personally have the money to buy them^^

wyrdeau 11-29-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lebellium (Post 517998)
Yes... and Samsung was lying in its communication. They were saying "For those who want to learn foreign languages, the feature Play & Learn allows you to adjust the play speed without changing the pitch."
So after noticing in my U5 review that was wrong I asked them to remove this sentence from their websites...
With the pitch changing, that's quite funny but that's not helpful to learn a foreign language....

- absolutely, that's a major oversight on their part - good that you got it corrected...

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Yes of course. Works perfectly, I just tried ;)
There is one "option" button that allows you to change the play options (play mode, play speed, play interval) and there is a user button dedicated to the A-B function in music mode.
brilliant! http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum...cons/icon7.gif ...c'est la cerise sur le gāteau - merci mille fois de ton aide!!

Chris Jam 12-18-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wyrdeau (Post 517986)
Hi, I'm particularly interested in buying the R0 having just downloaded the manual. I wonder if someone could help with a couple of questions?

I use skip interval a lot for language learning (iriver used to call this 'study mode') but it's not clear from the manual if the skip interval is adjustable or not. If not, what is the fixed skip interval? (10 seconds has been quoted on a couple of sites).

For language learning also, I'm quite excited by the possibility of slowing the play speed without affecting the pitch and as I've understood it, the R0 can do this as part of the DNSe 3.0 utility. Could someone please confirm this, and, if so, what degree of adjustment is possible?

Many thanks for any help on this...


Quote:

Originally Posted by lebellium (Post 517979)

Not usual questions, I like it

There is only a "study mode" on the U5 and U6
However on the R0 you can adjust the skip interval: 5s, 10s, 30s, 1min, 1 song

With DNSe 3.0 you can also choose play speed: normal, fast 1, 2 and 3, slow 1, 2 and 3.
There is no pitch variation but you must bear in mind sound quality gets worse (especially in level 2 or 3). That's probably fine for voice recordings but that's terrible on music.



I own a Samsung R0 (firmware 1.23) and I frankly don't recommend it if you plan to use it for language learning at slower speed. The fact is that while pitch does not change, DNSe adds some echo/reverb to the sound once you change speed, even if DNSe is set to Normal. The voice sounds unnatural and this is not good if you want to learn a language.


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